PAGENO="0001" SAWTOOTH NAT~ONA NEAl B1~FOR SUBCOMMITTEE OI~ PA OF T OOi~iiT' INTERIOR A~D Ii JNJT1~ STA' NTh~E1~IE~]~H ]hRST s 01 I 14 A BILL TO ESTABLISH ~T REOREAPION A~A IN T'li]~ F~It AUGUST - IY OF RW ~ TI ~ COLLEGE Of 3~JHiERSFy CAMDEN N. J. 08102 L OCTi 3~967 OFFICE I ECREATION AREA ) AND RECREATION vi C LAIR AFFAIRS SENATE GEESS N St ~i:i WTOOPH NATIONAL PE or fl5~no, AND O~1~S PAGENO="0002" c*MMITTEE J~zIIRY P. VERtL~ S!FEWAET FRENCU E. LEwIS iEEID, ~ SUBCOMMITTEE ON P~LB ~rn I~StLAR AFFAI washington, Chairman IcYMAS H. KUCIIEL, Californi~ )RDON ALLOPT, Colorado ~N B. JORDAN, Idaho L~JL I. FANNIN, Arizona 4IFFORD P~ HANSEN, Wyomi LRK 0. HATFIELD, Oregon Staff Director Chief Omnsei ~ ounea KS AND RECRE4TIPN ~vada, Cbai~man LIFFORD P. HANSEN, Wyoni B~0MAS H. KUCHEL, Californ: L~RK 0. HATFIELD, Oregon /;~ I o~ ~TE1UOB HENRY M. JACKSON, CLINT~~. A~rnERSON, I'~éwMe~ieo ALAN B11~tE, Ne~ada FRANK CHURCH, Idaho ERNEST GRUENING, Alaska FRANK E. M0SS,~tJtah QUENTIN N. BURDICK, North Dakota CARL HATDEN, Arizona GEORGE I4IcGOVERN, South Dakota GAYLORDI NELSON, Wisconsin ~ LEE MEPdALF, Montana as C L ~LAN BIBLE, N HENRY M. JACKSON, Washington CLINTON P. ANDERSON, New Mexico- FRANK ~IURCH, Idaho FRANK Ei MOSS, Utah GAYLOM~ NELSON, Wisconsin Ii ing a PAGENO="0003" CONT S.1267 _ Departmental reports : ` V V Agriculture Departn~ier~t. ~ Bureau of the Budget~._ ~. Interior Oepartmeut ~ ~ATE'~ Brandborg, Stewart V VM., assoc ~te V exe ~ Breckenridge, John H., Twin Fa is, Xdah Brewar, Glenn, Stanley; Idaho, ~epresenti V the chamber of commerce Ohurch, Hon. Frank; VaV U.S. ~Sen~tor fron Crafts, Edward C., Director, Bi~reau of of the Interior ______________ 4 Day, Ernest E., Idaho Wildlife Federati ball, Boise, Idaho ~ ~ Evans, Brock, northwest consei~vation r Federation of Western Outdoor Olubs Freeman, Hon. Orville L., Secre~ar~, V De panied by Edward P. Cliff, Chief ~f the Guernsey, William L., Boise, Ida~to ~ _ Hansen, Hon. George, a U.S. R~presenta of Idaho ~ ~ _ _ _ Hoff, Theodore, Jr., vice presid~nt and Co ~ Idaho Farm Bureau Federation Jordan, Hon. Len B., a U.S. Senator from Mathes, E. L., State highway er~gin~er f Directors______________ Nelson, E. Le Grande, Twin Fa1l~, Idaho Pettit, Eugene D., Lake Cabin O~vners As Pomeroy, Kenneth B., chief forester, Ame Barti - lomew, R. C., Frank Cl `)er 4. r., senator from i Art, preside~ Chairman, Pi b, Clifton R. tter to Hon. i~ mittee, dated ~ sociation: Idaho - Jordan, a to Hon. Alan Lted August 11, iess Society: k~ecreation Subcom- `IT TS Page 1 3 6 8 5 1 t U p ~- a ]j .L ~1, t r b ic 4~ 1$ es tZ~z oI'~3 ej ci Vh~ iat director, the Wilderne~~ city council as mayor and tate ~ r Recreation, Department compa~ied by Tom I(im- ntative, Sierra Club; and nt of Agriculture ; accom~ t Service V Congress from the State I manager, Hoff Lumber tate of Idaho ~ Idaho Board of Highway on ~ ~ ~ ~`orestry Association 68 44 63 9 58 52 65 18 64 13 64 62 11 14 41 15 58 CO~MtJNI~ tion Council: Letter ~-~- -1 Idaho, dated ratio~i, Reno, Nev.: the State of Idaho, V ment of cation 73 dore, Hon. 72 29 72 66 15 71 67 PAGENO="0004" Musser, James L., Charter Seed Co., Twit~ rails, Idaho : Letter to I Len B. Jordan, a U.S. Senator from the State of Idaho, dated August 1967 Perfect, John D., secretary, Ada Coiwty Fi~h and Game League: Lett Hon. Frank Church, a U.S. Senator fr4nn the State of Idaho, d August 30, 1967 ~. Robertson,~T. lvi.,. Parry, Robertson & Da1~y, Twin Falls, Idaho: Lett Hon. Levi B. Jordan, a IJ.S~ SenatQr fi~Q~j~the State of Idaho Stark, Bane, President; Chivers, Thomas. ~; Wilson, Lynn W.; and H Calvin ~., Stanley Basin Catt1emafl'~ Association, Challis, Id Letter tØ Parks and Recreation Subc n~nitt~ee- - - ~~-r' Swanson, John R., Berkeley, Calif.: Lett4r to Hon~ I~epry ~Y[. J~cl Chairman, Interior and Insular Affairs~ Oommitt~è, dated August 1967 ADDITIONAL INFORMATION Preliminary information on ~t~ndards of u~es for privately owned prof within the proposed Sawtooth Natior~al Recreation Area which generally further the purpOses of such ricreation area as set Iorth - The Sawtboth Tjrgency, edi~oria1 from~ jhe Post-Register, idaho IdahO, 4~ugust 13, ~ . ~ Iv CONTEN L'S Page 16 on. 11, to ted to im, ho: son, 23, 73 18 72 72 erty will El S. a1L~, 33 74 PAGENO="0005" [S. 126~, 90th Cong A BILL To establish the Sawtooth National Recreation Be it enacted by the Senate and ~fouse of America in Congre$s assembled, Th~it, in or to protect the scenic, historic, pitatoral, fis I values of the Sawtooth Mountah~s and a established, subject to valid existing right Area. SEc. 2. The boundaries of the recreation entitled "Proposed Sawtooth Nat~onal Re which is on file and available fort public i Forest Service, Department of Agr~culture. after called the "Secretary") shall, as soon takes effect, publish in the Federal Registe Sawtooth National Recreation Arba, toget map showing the boundaries there~f. ~are to make, tments will be ~ss.] the State of Idaho, and for other purposes sentatives of the United States of assure the preservation of, and wildlife, and other recreational t valley lands, there is hereby Sawtooth National Recreation iall be those shown on the map n Area", dated April 1, 1966, ion in the office of the Chief, ecretary of Agriculture (herein- eticable after the date this Act ice of the establishment of the ith a detailed description and I SAWTOOTH NA1~IONA 11 WEDNESM~, A ~CREAT!ON AREA 23, 1967 SUBCOMMITTEE ON PAItI~S AND COMMITTEE sent: AIRS, ~,p.o. in room ~hairman) of Idaho, and 1, chief rriswold, Bember; I he~ year, where express thi ng~ v many local views on t s in Idaho last ~i a chance to hearings, the oths and the sur- rst ~a i 1? e to ce~ he r r S a~ ati pr 1 PAGENO="0006" SAWTOOTH NATIONAL RECREATION AREA SEc. 3. j~'he Secretary shall administer1 the Sawtooth National Area in such manner as will best provide f4r (1) the protection and co of the salm~rn and other fisheries, (2) the co~iservation ançl developmen historic, psstoral, wildlife, atid other vali4es contributing to and av public enjoyment, including the preservatio$ of sites associated with an the economic and social history of the Amei~ican West; and (3) on feder lands, the management, utilization, and disposal of natural resourc lumbering, grazing, and mining, that will not substantially impair th for which the recreation area is established~ SEc. 4~ subject to the limitations hereinafter set forth, the Sect~ acquire by purchase with don&ted or a propriated funds, by gift, bequest, oii otherwise, such lands or interes s therein within the boun4 recreation ~rea as he determines to be ne ded for the purposes of tI~ any propei~ty or interest withifl the reserv ion area owned by the Sta or any pcil~tical subdivisibn thereof n~ay b acquired under the autho Act only~ith th~ concurrence of the o~n ~ In exer4sing his authority to acquire pr perty by exchange, the Sec accept title to any non-Federal property located within the bound recreatioh area and ctnivey tO the grantor ~ of such property any fede property *ithin the State of Idaho under(thé jurisçlictioti of the Sec withstanding any other provision of law. The properties so exchan approximately equal in fair market vak~e: Provided, That the Sec accept cash from or pay cash to the grantor in such an exchange equalize the values of the properties excha~nged. Notwithstanding any other provision ~f law, any Federal prope wltbin therecre~Ltionarea may, with the co~tiQurrence of the agency ha thereof, b~ tra~isferred~ without consider4ion to the administrative of the Sc~r4~tary for use by him in carryi$t~ out' the purposes of this SEC. 54 (a) The authority of the S~r$t~ry to acquii~ an interes propert~y ~y condemnatiOn shall b~ subj~4trt~o the provisions of this (b) Th~ Secretary shall m~tke and publ~reg~LlatiOns s~ttingstan use of pi~ivately owned property within ~he boundaries of the recr Such regulatiofts shall be generally in ft~Kheranece of the purposes ~ and shall have the object of assuring tha$.'the use and development owned property is consistent with the purposes of this Act and wit general plan of the Sawtooth National Recreational Area. Such regu be as de~iled and speciflo as is reasonabl~required to accomplish su and pur~se. Such regulations may diffcr~amongst the several parce land in tile boundaries and may from tim~to time be amended by t All rs~u1abiot~s adopted under this A4t ~ shall be promulgated i y~ritii the provisions of the Administr~tiv~{ Prçcedure Act : No regula promulga~tèd for any ~ purpose described ~n this Act ~in1ess a public. been con~iucted and, Opport~-mity for rej~w ~ has ~ been accorded i with the~rovisions of sèetions 7and 8 o~ j~h~AdnIinistrative Proceci (~) To~assure that privat~landwitbin ~he boundaries of the natlo area is used in a manner which is not c~etrimental to the purposes the Secretary is authorized to procure b~ gift, pwchase with dona priated funds or otherwise, scenic easements within the boundaries ation area. As used in thi~ Act the term "scenic elisement" means the right t use of lar~d (including the air space above such land) in order to prote values for the pitrposes of this Act, but ~hall not preclude any cust ditioni~l use exercised by the owner priOf td the acquisition of the e (ti) Wh~rc an ownet of private prOpe4t~ within the exterior bou recrc~k~zi area. as of the dMe of this Ac$, or his heirs, desires to di property~ to the Fed~r~J Government, t* Secretary shall purchase at a pFi~e that shall ifiôlÜdC compensatfl~n fot any decrease in the that may have resulted from the promj4gation of regulations, zo easements as a consequence of the estab~i~hment of the recreation a however, That the provisions of this sub~i~tiön shall cease to be in period of ten years from the date of en~tment of this Act. (e) The limitations hereinabove ~et fofth on the authority to con est in lands shall not, apply to properi3y which the Secretary det needed for easements for access to and utilization of public prope That the acquisitionfor such purposes ~hall not exceed 5 per centu acreage ~of all privately owned property n. the' recreation area. 2 Etecreatino ase~rvation of scenic, ~ilable for I typifying illy owned s, such as purposes ~tary may exchange, tries of the Act. But e of Idaho `ity of this retary may ~ries of the ally owned `etary,' not- ed shall be `etary may in order to ~ty located ing custody jurisdiction Act. in private ectiion. ~rds for the ~ation area, of this Act )f privately the overall ations shall ch objective .5 of private e Secretary. conformity ion shall be hearing has conformity tre Act. al'recreatiOli of this Act, vd or appro- of the recre- Ii ) control the b the esthetic mary or tra- ~ement. ` daries of the pose of such said property value thereof ing or scenic ~ea : Provided, effect after a cmii an inter- rmines to be ~ty: Provided, n of the total PAGENO="0007" SAWTOOTH ~ATION~ CREATION AREA 3 SEC. 6. Nothing jn this Act ~haj1 aff mifling and mineral leasing law~ in the fe area, except that all minitig cla~ms beat of this Act shall be subject to regulations the purposes of this Act. Any p~ter~t iss effective date of this Act shall i~ecite thi such regulations. All such regu~atidns s measures as may be reasonable th protect tion area and to assure against ~ pollutior and waters within the recreatior~ area. SEC. 7. Recommendations a~id other tember 3, 1964, shall apply to ~he ~awt lands within the national forest~. The S~ the requirements of section 3 o~ said Ac expeditious manner. SEC. 8. The Secretary may qooperate and local public agencies, and witl~i pri velopment and operation of fa4ilities an the purposes of this Act, inc1udir~g, but n nance Q1~ the historic setting andjackgrou the frontierranch-type town of ~taflley. SEC. 9. Nothing in this Act s~iall dimi State of Idaho, or any pOlii~ical ~ubdivisi jurisdiction within the recreation ai'ea o franchises, or property, inchidi~ig xpiner waters `within the recreaiiioñ~ árè~, SEC. 10. Nothing in this' Act ~ha1l affec State of Idaho under other p~ovi ions of 1 ~SEc. 11. The jurisdiction of t] e Si~ates stream' included in the Sa*~ôoth National established principles oflas~. Ui der the ~ United States Of water right wh ch is yes the time of enactment of this Ac sh~ll en tion. Nothing in this Aôt shall `dn~titut on the part of the Federal. Gove rni~ent a SEC. 12. Money appropriated ~rox~i the' be available for the acquisition of la~ids a this Act. There are hereby authorized to necessary to carry Out the' provi ions of t Hon. HENRY M. JACI~SON, ` Chairman, Committee on Interior and Insu~ U.S. Senate. DEAR MR. ` CHAIRMAN: In response to this ~ Department's report on S. ~267, a Recreation Area in the State of Idaho, a We recommend that S. 1267' b~ enacte herein. ~ ` S. 1267 would establish' as t~ie Sawt 351,000 acres of the Sawtooth ~ange ai valley lands located in or adjace4t to the Forests in south central Idaho. The area the Sawtooth Primitive Area and 122,000 Also included are approximately jO,400 ac 1,600 acres of State-owned lands, and 22,4 In those portions of the~ area ~uts~de t such as Redfish, Pettit, Alturas, and Yell reaches of the Salmon River and the trib cOuntry and which offer fishing ~nd hikin environment. ` The broad meadows adjoining the Salt ` largely privately owned and ~levo~ed to gr I' ~ view the jagged and impOsing peaks of app1ic~tbiiity ~of the UnIted States owned lands within the recreation easeS issued after the effective date cretary may prescribe to effectuate any mining claim located after the ~tion and continue to be subject to )vide, among other things, for such nic and esthetic values of the recrea- e Salmon River and other streams ures of the Wilderness Act of Sep- rimitive Area and adjacent public y of Agriculture shall comply with lation to such primitive area in an other Federal agencies, with State .dividuals `and agencies in the. de- ices in the area in furtherance of ed to, the restoration and mainte- he old miningtown of Atlanta and nlarge, or modify any right of the reof, to exerci~e civil and criminal ghts to tax persons, corporations, )ther interests, in or on lands or irisdiction or responsibilities of the h respEx~t to hunting and fishing. a United States over Waters of any ation Area shall be determined by rns of this `Act, any taking by the dereither State or Federal law at e owner thereof to just compensa- xpress or implied claim or denial ernption from `State water laws. nd water conservatiOn funds shall nic easements for the purposes of propriated such sums as may he t. RTMENT OF AGRrCtTLTURE, hington, D~C., August ~3, 1967. sirs, request of April 4, 1967, here is establish the Sawtooth National other purposes. certain `amendments as proposed ~ationá1 ` Recreation Area some aeeitt forest and high mountain 0th,' Chedlis, and Boise National d `include about 195,000 acres in f adjoining National Forest land. unreserved public domain lands, es of privately-owned lands. mitive Area are beautiful lakes, lly. Included also are the upper creeks which flow from the high ortunities in an unspoi1~d forest iver in the Sawtooth Valley are ses. Travelers on 15.5. Highway awtooth Range across meadows tl~ `al~ o~ mit ~. t~ Cl d ii 0 a b a h it1~ sex~ ir*~i of or ti eø~ Vt ~` tc~ fot itl~ Ft a 014 es 0 a Pi, ry t ~` ` ` ~ PAGENO="0008" I SAWTOOTH NATIONAL ~CREATION AREA on ~ can I tant thee ranc of visitors Some t~ loca' C y and west~ - on resourc~ ~. It ~ use of all the varied resoui and wilderness, but endorsi urces also in s compat swere larep e c~n contin~ ~, and the and would add to the osed as the Natonal flee- , and assure its continued ~dequate actions in several und over i * rative j uris- - on area and PAGENO="0009" SAWTOOTH NATIOJ~ A ECREATION AREA 5 Section 5 of the bill presqrib~s ce: authority to acquire interests ~n pi~ivate This section directs the Secrei~ary of A setting standards for the use~ of priva insure that such uses will be i~i further have the object of assuring i~hat the property is consistent with tl~e pi~irpos management for the Sawtooth Nation standards may differ between the sever section would authorize the Secretar property, uses which will be ~ompati pastoral character of the Nat~on~l Re enhancement of the scenic b$uty of t It would provide for compatible develo ranching and other individual irises and tions. Standards we would set pursua designed to accomplish this td the full lishing these standards would be prom sions of the Administrative Pr~cedure The intent of section ~5 woul4 be clan: as follows : Change subsection (a) to ~ead "E: private property shall not1e acquired and the authority of the Secretary to a less than fee in private property by co: the use of such property conforms to tI provisions of this section." Change the second panagna~h of sub the term `scenic easement' me~ns the ni protect the esthetic values for ~he purp~ continuation of any use as exe~cised on These language ~ changes wou~d make ownership of their property as lbng as tb to acquire scenic easements to the fullest consent without limitation. Its use with to avoidance of non-c~nformit~r with t would not be used to preclude continua cised on the date of the Act. Pre~ent modifications in a manner that *ould no the property to the authority ~o conde: uses not presently exercised wo~ild be su Omission from the legislation~of t1~ese to eliminate present non-compatible We would, of course, make eve~y reaso meat with property owners. Past exper~ terms can be reached in the vast zuajo that our authority for acquisititn not be Thjs * would enable us to eliminate thos to impair the ~ quality of the $rea4 Ne~ accomplish the purposes of the bill. The requirement in the last ~aragrapI provisions of the Administrativ~ Proced to the regulations promulgated pursuan suggest that this be clarified b~ chángin page 4 to "section." Also, sinc~ thç~ pro Act referred to in this section a~'e now a enacted by P.L. ~ 89-554 (80 Stat. 378 relevant section in the eode rath~r than t the words and figures "7 and ~ of the 17 and 18 on page 4 should be ~hanged t States Code." We suggest insertion of a con~ma after proper interpretation of the aui~honity f Section 5(d) concerns the sittr~tion whe the exterior boundaries of the recreatior their heirs, would desire to disp9se of suc The Secretary would be directed in. such onditions to which the Secretary's rty by condemnation will be subject. ure to make and publish regulations perty within the recreation area to f the purposes of the bill. They will id development of privately owned he bill and with the overall plan of reation Area. Such regulations and els of private lands in the area. This ablish, for various units of private I the preservation of the forest and n Area, and with conservation and and of the Salmon River fisheries. of private property to accommodate ide public services and accommoda- this portion of section 5 would be cut possible. The regulatior~s estab- U in ~ conformity with certain provi- ich require a public hearing. ubsections (a) and (c) were amended as otherwise provided hereinafter, without the consent of the owner scenic easements, or other interests ation shall be suspended so long as iations established pursuant to the L (e) to read: "As used in this Act control the use of land in order to this Act, but shall not preclude the teof this Act." hat private landowners may retain lesire~ We would used the authority t. It couid be. used with the owners' e owners' consent would be limited ~etary's regulations, except that it any use as that use is being exer- Duld continue but any changes or rm to the regulations would subject nic easements. All non-conforming 0 that authority. ions would enable this Department gardless of the owner's consent. ifort to negotiate and reach agree- as shown that mutually agreeable cases, and we would recommend d as,tlie above language would do. compatible present uses that tend ess we will make every effort to etion 5(b) for conformity with tho t apparently is intended to apply he provisions of this section. We word "Act" in lines 12 and 15 on of the Administrative Procedure of Title 5, United States Code, as ould be appropriate to cite the ministrative Procedure Act. Thus istrative Procedure Act" in lines ~ and 557 of Title 5 of the United _s" in line 23 on page 4 to assure rchase" of scenic easements. owner~ of private property within as of the date of enactment, or erty to the Federal Government. ) purchase the property at a price p e S in oI~ cul 0 ce of e wi at~ ar en to e~ at~ w. if pt~ fé ire rn re~ ~; !` e ~ 1 e ti 0 5 c tl~ tt so te Sc n~ 5 n sd ct i~r~ le t~e on t1~d It r 1 p 0 r Si A 0 he loti rt A m~ `5(~ un "p th re 3~. 83-728-67-2 r 0 1 PAGENO="0010" ecreation [parking ~et èffec- users. We in line 18 20 before r review, ncies and agencies ice of the ), restora- .e frontier ~e unique ) enhance imulating ig the full he fullest ses of this on to the program, ~ommittee ~cretary. iews of the Lal Recrea- the scenic, Recreation ssed below. 6 SAWTOOTH NATIONAL R1~REATION AREA that would ~*clude compensation for any d4crease in value resulting from the promulgatioii[ of regulations, zbning, or sce~iic easements attributabb ~ to the establishmen1~ of the recreation area. This provision would afford th private owner a re~vsbnable time in ~wI~ich to consk~er, without risking a loss in value during that time, the effects of establishment c~f the recreation area on his Droperty and activities and the desirability of disposing of his property to the Gov rnment. We assume seëtion 5(d) was not intended to require the Secretary to purchase property from owners desiring to sell to the Federal Government rega rdless of priorities or availability of funds for that p4rpose. To clarify the inter t of this provision, we recommend the following amendiments to section 5(d) . Inse rt in line 9, page 5, after the word "purchase" a comma~and the words "with availal )le funds donated or ~j~pro~priated specifie~Uly for that j~nrpose,". In line 1 1, page 5, between "thereof" anti "that" insert "mit previou8ly ~pmpensated for under the p rovisions of this Act." ~rhis would avoidj~ossibility of 4uplicate payments for inte~ ~sts such as scenic e~Ls4~meT1ts acquired ai~d paid for éaflier. Also, we suggest that bhe word "zoning" be ~deleted from line 12, page 5. TI~is terxt~ is not'used elsewhc re in the bill and mhy harry a connotatioi~ not consiste4t with the intent of section ~ As provided hi~ section 5(e), the limitations~previously set forth in the h ill on the Secretary's authority to condemn an interest ~n lands wouldnot apply to property needed for access to and utiiz~ttion of public property. This exception to those limitations would extend only to acquisition for such purposes of not 1 o exceed five percexit of the total priv~te1y owned acreage in the recreation irea. We construe this to mean the pere~ntage of the total privately owned acrea ~e on the date of enaclirnent ofthis bill. ~ In additioh to the neéd~ for public acces~ ôertain h~nds within the areawillbe~needed for reereation f~oilities 4uch as picnic, camping an areas, and f~r other recreation, and adminis~tiative improvements to ii tively and emclent1~y the needs of the thous~nds of expected recreation recommend~ection 5(e) be amended by chaijging"an interest in lands" ~ interests inland" and.b'~ itiserting at the end of lin~ the colon "and for recreaticei aJad other ach4thstrative facilities." ` We suggest changing line 14 page 6after "sec. 7" to read"Provisions f recommendations, and other procedures of the." Section 8 authorizes the Secretary to cooperate with other Federal ag with State andlocal public agencies, private individuals and with privat in the development and opertttion of facilillies in the area in furtherai purposes of the act. This authority would i4clude, but not be limited t tion of the historic setting of the old mining town of Atlanta and ti ranch~type town of Stanley. We beli~+ë that~ such coOperative actiGni tO restore and maintain t characteri~l1cs and qualities Gf~these and ot~ier points of interest and t scenic and l~istoricvalués wonid expedite d~velopmentof the area by si the interestand participatiOn df localand S~te oi~ganizatioñs in realizi recreation potential of the area. We wo~il~d expect to cooperate to extent financially, technically, and otherwi~e in carrying out the purpo section. ` The Bureau of the Budget advises thai while ` there is no object~ presentation of this report froth the standp~int of the Administration'~ the views of the Bureau of the Budget c~Lill be transmitted to the separately. Sincerely yours, ORVILLZ L. FREEMAN, ~ ExEcuT1vE~rIcE OF THE PEESIDENT, BUREAU OF THE BUD ~ Washington, D.C., August ~ET, 93, 19~7. lIon. HENRY M. JAcKSoN, Chairman, Committee oi' Interior and Insular Affairs, U.S. Senate, Washington, D.C. DEAR MR. CHAIRMAN : This is in response to your request for the ~ Bureau of the Budget on S. 1267, "To esi~ablish the Sawtooth Natioi tion Area in the State of Idaho, and for dther purposes." As a geiiieral comment, we recognize th~ desirability of preserving recreational, and other values of the pr4posed Sawtooth National Area. How[ever, we are concerned with tho provisions. of S. 1267 discU PAGENO="0011" SAWTOOTH ~TATION~ Section 5 of the bill prescriI~es a nui private property within th.e re~reation sition of such property by co~demnati against condemnation of a fee ~xcept foi (b) grandfather protection foi~ noncon and (c) provision under which the priw to sell his property to the Government for any decrease in value resul4ing from to which private property coulcj be put i In our judgment, the provisions of se and represent an unjustified lh~ita~ion posed national recreation area. ~ More irn to impair the values sought to *e preser preferential. treatment to these private whose property is taken or affe~ted in ot We are not aware of any c~rcu~nsta~ private property owners in the Sawtooth we strongly recommend that, ir~ lieu of s the lines of those that have b~en ~icor recently been enacted establishing park. proper preservation of he value~s sougbt irtg appropriate protection botl to the i property owners through relian e or~ est Suggested draft language to ace mplish I ~ The provision in section 4 ti at lands area owned by the State, or its olitical the concurrence of the owner ha been in ing national recreation areas, pa ks, lake~ acts further specify that such ands ma present owner. In general, we b~lieve the and local governments within the bQunda tional areas may be acquired o~ily by d be adhered to. Accordingly, we recomx~i such cases be written into the hi 1. We have just received .estim~tes prep concerning the cost of acquirin~, develo tional Recreation Area. We have not bad either in terms of (1) the need ~ e~pen quately to preserve and develop t~ie r~crea the amounts proposed to be spei~t for this be spent on other Federal recreat~on areas relative priorities of the various ~trea~.. The Bureau of the Budget wpuld hay 1267 with the recommended amendments Sincerely yours, Assi [Ai~tach PROPOSED SuBs~ITthrE F SEC. -. The Secretary shall a~quii~e by funds, by gift, exchange, or othe~'wise, su boundaries of the recreation area as he d~ the purposes of this Act. For the purposes 1964 (78 Stat. 897, 903), the bo~indaries Forests as extended by this Act shall be tr those Forests on January 1, 1965. SEC. -. (a) Privately owned "improv~ not be acquired under this Act *ithOut t appropriate local zoning ágèncy sl~all have a duly adopted, valid, zoning ordinance t term "improved property" as usc~d in this of related buildings the actual co4structioi 1966, together with not more tha~i three a ~ on which the building or group o~ buildin at~ CREATION AREA f restrictions on the acqui~ition of rimarily with respect to the acqui- iese restrictions include (a) a bar rowly defined and limited purpose, g uses currently being exercised, perty owner would have the right price that would compensate him arial regulations limiting the uses proposed ares, 5 would be difficult of application orderly administration of the pro- itly, the restrictions could operate the area and would tend to accord ty owners as compared with those .rk or recreational areas. hich justify special treatment for nal Recreation Area. Accordingly, 5, provisions be substituted along d in a. number of bills that have reational areas. This would assure reserved in the area, while afford-. S O~ the Government and private d principles çf just compensation. ~po~e is attached. the boundaries of the recreation isi2ns iuay be acquired only with ted in many recent acts establish- and seashores. But many, of those .cquired only by, donation of the ement that lands owned by State such federally established recrea- L is ~L sound principle aud should at a requirement for donation in y the Department of Agriculture. and oper~tting the Sawtooth Na- )ortunity to evaluate these figures amount estimated in order ade- ea; or (2) the relationship between ompared to amounts proposed to ; the next few years in light of the ~bjection to the enactment of S. tions 4 and 5. WILFRED H. ROMMEL, irector for Legislative Reference. TION 5 OF S. 1267 ase with donated or appropriated :Is or interests therein within the ries to be needed or desirable for tion 6 of the Act of September 3, Sawtooth and Challis National )s if they were the boundaries of perty" or interests therein shall sent of the owner so long as an e and a~p1iQ~ble `to such property approved by the Secretary. The hail mean any building or group .ich was begun before January 1, the land in the same ownership tuated. R~ 7 mi a cx h~ th~ iIt~ pe 5 at~ ,io rat re be re [sI: ) e n a 0 a S t ill p :! q~i so tib t S a d d~ op he ea rt~i t lo I rc~ la~ se tl~ ec~ Ii f a ci e a C pr~ o1~ i~ et so is ~ PAGENO="0012" SAWTOOTH NATIONAL R~ECREATION AREA (b) Prior to the approval of any zoning ordinance for the purpos~s of this section, the Secretary shall issue regulations, which may be amended f om time to time~ specifying standards for such zoning ordinances. Standards ~l ecified in such regulat~ions shall have the object of- (I) j*ohibiting new commercial or in~iustrial uses, other than c mmercial or indi~trial uses which the Secretary c~msiders consistent with the purposes of this ~ct; I (2) j*omoting the protection and dej~elopment of properties for purposes of this Act by means of use, acreage, f~ontage, setback, density, eight, or other ~ requirements ; and ~ (3) providing that the Secretary sikall receive notice of any variance granted under, or any exception mad~ to, the application of t .e zoning ordinance. Following issuance of such regulations, the Secretary sha 1 approve any zoiiiing ordinance or any amendm~nt to an approved zoning rdinance submitted to him that conforms to the standards contained in the r gulations in effect at the time of adoption of th~ ordinance or amendment. Such ap- proval `shall remain effective for so lo~ig as such ordinance or a Lendment remaift$ in effect as approved. (C) The ~¾ispension of the Secretary's äutfi~rity to acquire any impri ved prop- erty without the owner's consent shall auto~Atically cease if (1) `such ~ roperty is made the s~kbject of a varia.nøe or exceptio~ to any applic&ble zoning ~ ordinance that does n~t conform to any applicable sta~idard contained in regulat~ ~ns issued pursuant to this section; or (2) if such propbrty is put to any use whic does not conform to any applicable zoning ordinance~ (d) The Secretary shall furnish to any party i~i interest upon request a certificate indicating the property with respect to whk~h the Secretary's authority to acquire without the owner's consent is suspended. (e) Any owner of unimproved property Who proposes to develop hi property or a part thereof for service to'the public rn~y submit to the Secretary ~ develop- ment plan which shall set forth the manne* in which and the time by which the property is to be developed and the use to $hich it is proposed to be p t. If upon review of ~i~ch plan the Secretary dctermine~tlia~t such use anti develop] ent would' serve the p~irposes of this Act,~and that th4 development and use of t. eproperty in the mantier prescribed conforms to any zo~iingordinance approved in ccordance with the'prOvisions of thissection, the Seen4ary may in his discretion is ue to such owner a certificate to that effect. Upon thejssuance of any such certifi ate and so long as such property is developed, xnaintai*ed, and used in conformity therewith, the authority of the Secretary to acquire such property or any inter st therein without the consent of the owner shall be' suspended. This subsectio shall not apply to `any property which the Secretary determinesto be needed for easements aud rights-of-way for access, utilities, or facilities, or for administr tive sites, campgrounds, or other areas needed for use by the United States for vis tors to the national recreation area. ~ U.S. DEPA TMENP OF THE INTERIOR, ` QFFICR OF TH1~1 SECRET RY, Washington, D.C., August ~, 1967. ITon. HENI~Y M. JACKSON, `` Chairman, Committee on Interior and Insul, r Affairs, U.S. Senate, Washington, D.C. DEAR SENATOR JACKSON : Your Committee has requested a repor from this I)epartment on S. 1267, a bi~1 "To establish the Sawtooth National Recreation Area in the State of Idaho, and for other purposes." We have no objection to th~. enactment of the bill. The bill establishes apprc~ximately 35 ,000 acres of land in so th central Idaho as lljie Sawtooth National Recreatio Area in order to preserve ~ nd protect the scenli; historic, pastoral, fish and wil Elife, and other recreation 1 values of the Sawtotth Mountains and adjacent v~ ley lands. The precise bo ndaries of the area *e shown on a map pn file , in ` )è office `of the Chief, For st Service, Departpie~it of ,Agriculti~re. The Secreta y of Agriculture will adi mister the Sawtooth TNationa.l RecreatiQu Area. The area meets the criteria established b the President's Recreatior al Advisory Counøi~ for national recreation areas in i s Policy Circular No. 1 of March 26, 1963. The grandeur of the Sawtooth Mountaths has long been recog jagged peaks, emerald lakes, and alpine meadows contrast vividly wit lines of Sawtooth Valley and Stanley Ba~sin on the east side of th I' 8 ized. Their I the broad ~ Sawtooth PAGENO="0013" SAWTOOTH NATION~ LR CREATION AREA 9 Range. The natural euvironme~t of the are inseparably linked. Five large lake River, beautifully situated car~ipsites, E ment, and a spacious mountain~ anc~ vail riding provide opportunities foi'~ intènsiv The concentration of exceptibnal reer Mountains and adjacent valle~r lands management of these values tha~i no~mall use program$. We believe that the pro so established and administered as to pro to enjoy the maximum benefits~from the Careful attention should be given to recreation area to insure that the lands in tion of the recreational and oth~r values The proposed national recre~tion ares privately owned lands. We b~lieve sp strengthening the provisions of the bill such lands in order that they n~ay be ft public recreation purposes. The llmitatio on the acquisition of private land to no i owned acreage appears inadeqi~ate to a the area. ~ ~ We also believe that the establisi~imen not preclude future consideratjc~n of the tional Park Service of this Dep~rtment study in August 1965 of the resc~urc~s of ~ was evaluated as one of the alt~rnatives tion, the Advisory Board on Natione~l Par ments at its October 1966 meeting expn Sawtooth Mountains area as a *ati~xial I area to consider further th~ nati~na~ parl a visit has not yet been made. F4irther co include the White Clouds Area t~o the eas The Bureau of the Budget h~s advise entation of this report from the ~tandpoii Sincerely yours, and the beatity of the mountains ierou~ smaller lakes, the Salmon it sites for winter sports develop- ironment for hiking and horseback iot crowded use of the area. and scenic values in the Sawtooth ts much greater emphasis on the ~iated~vith nationalforest multiple iational recreation area should be Le American people an opportunity Is. oposed boundaries of the national in the area offer the best combina- general area. ins approximately 22,000 acres of ttention ~bould . also be given to ing the acquisition and control of )tected and used when needed for ction 5(e) of the bill, for example, an 5 percent of the total privately the proper protection and use of .e national recreation area should or national park status. The Na- e Forest Service collaborated in a wtooth area. National park status ministration of the area. In addi- stone Sites, Buildings, and Monu- n interest in the potential of the nd ezpressed a desire to visit the ties of the Sawtooth Range. Such tion of a national park could well there is no objection to the pres- ie Administration's program. DAVID S. BLACK, Under Secretary of the Interior. )rirom the State you in March 14 of `r Jordan. ~s ;~ i~; to as ~ruess, r~-~ how to best I Idaho, Last year, aational recreation area ues V a 0 lie nu eli~ ut~ jo] s~ ed p~ ei~ re ft ea ~ t. d ual de~ t ha ~f t Senator ofT~aho, FROM THE PAGENO="0014" h. Early national creation `cle for a and the sratively ed as an ive bills, subcom- on both rwhelm- rdan and estimony carefully ie bill in m Idaho he bill as of what come to ~st public and its hrusts 42 et. These maj estic id like orn' ag to `-`Iii ewou~.-~- nue~ .t-of-State visitors t~ the ye aed in recent years.~Thous ~`t and fish or bot~t down `or ilture has just come bac 10 SAWTOOTH j~'TATIONAL ~CREATION AREA P. Pope, ~nd the late, great Idaho S4nator, William FL Eor~ sessioi~S of the Idaho Legislature men4órialized Congress for a park in the Sawtooths. I introduced, during the 88th Congress, a bill calling for of such a park, but my major purpose was to provide a veh thorough `feasibility study of the ar~ by both the Forest National Park Services. This study i~evealed that the comp new concept of a nationalrecre~itiofl ~area should be conside alternati\~e to a park. . [ Duringithe last Congress-the 8914i-I introduced alterna one for a park and one for a nation4l recreation area. This mittee, i'i~ ~June of last year, condu~ted hearings in Idaho bills. During 2 days of testimony, the people of Idaho gave ov ing support to a national recreation ~r.ea. Let me say at that poi~it, Mr. Chairman, that Senator J I both attended those hearings~ And we received excellent from a large number of Idaho citiz4ns. And afterward, we sifted through that testimony and mdertook to redraft t the light~ of the fine recommendati4 ~s that we received fr people who are most familiar with t L'C area. And we think it stand~ today represePts the cl( ~st * possible reflection seemed tp be the strong ~onsens~ts o idaho p'eople. As aresult of these hearings, I, t ô, Mr. Chairman, hay believe that the recreation area is ti e best plan for the higi use and management of this ~ magbificent mountain chai adjoining lowlands, Running north and south, the Sawtooth escarpment ped -` ~ to elevations olf more than 10,000 f~ ~ alpine lakes, rus~Ling white water, am £L~L we wo ~: this i ~serve this scenic con~mercial or roc~rement of ed a~the~ )hafrmai~, n regions c PAGENO="0015" SAWTOOTH N4TIO1 ECREATION AREA 11 scenery, or seek the mountain s National Recreation A~re~ i~ll a to accommodate visitOrs ~o this recreation.. It will also increase th~ &~ono most importantly, it will ~ua~ant ness, which for many ye~s 1~a~s 1 has been that of so many oi~tdo upland important for its beauty the very fountainhead of thre~ g. Boise-rushing down fro4i t]~e s lands. The upper branches o~ the S maining major nursery ~or the way up from the Pacific Oe~an This bill looks to their p$teötion Mr. Chairman, a vast ~mount tion of S. 1267. I believe up is hearings may . come sugg~stiOns f can move rapidly to get t1~e bill o Committee and approved by the sion. Senator BIBLE. Thank ~ou ver And I might simply , ad~l that i I flew over this great area ~i~h ti Idaho. And we flew prett~ well o inspiring area. And I lçnow that scenic qualifications to be a natio: I am glad to see that it is~ movin, hopper for a good many ~years. have now is the best concept to ta that we have in this parth~ula~ St Senator CHURCH. Mr. çhairma benefit of your advice, fron~ one, I of experience. Senator BIBLE. If it was.~ie1pful, to. the testimony that will ~ give.i I next recognize the S~nator Jordan. ,,.. STATE1~NT OF HON. LE.~ ~. JO ~ . ~ S~A~VE 0 Senator JORDAN Mr Ch~irmau, . to you for calling these hearings at ward to this important legislation I am pleased to be cosponsor of. Church. As he has iñdicat~d, we I this bill, and it was very f~ivo~abl testimony that we received ~be~e, ~ . a bill that will meet qt~ite ~niversa The bill we have before us toda: S preservation and protection of seen ~ . life, and all the other recr~tion~1 )A I]b e~. The creation of a Sawtooth the . a~tditio.na1 facilities needed -primat~ily to ~dford family~type the St~t.e and region. Perhaps ~ integrity of the upland wilder- )ne of my major concerns, as it U of my State. Not only is the recreation potential, it is also vers, the Salmon, Payette, and lds to irrigate vast agricultural River constitute the last re- romous fish which fight their wn in the mountain shallows. rk has gone into the prepara~ d measure, and' from today's rther improvement. I hope we the Interior and Insular Affairs te, before the close of this ses~. ch. ` not too many years ago that tinguisbed senior Senator from he entire area. It was an awe- S the scenic grandeur and the rk or national recreation area. .g this well. It has been in the btedly, the concept that you B account the varying interests that score, we have had the t~ say, who has had a great deal reivarded. And I look forward morning. Idaho, . Len Jordan. Senator ~, U.S. SENATOR FROM TEE AEO ~, too, express my appreciation ime so that we can move f or- ~7 with my colleague, Senator ield bearings in the , State on ived. And on account of the eve that we have put forward pt.ance in our State. . Chairman, would assure the tone, pastoral, fish and wild- S Of this wonderful Sawtooth I~ U 5 ~ré e 0 t,~. rf~ 0 i0I sp Of dil r id d~ Lgt e t it e t au a t is C r )e~ cc vI~ h' lu I PAGENO="0016" SAWTOOTH NATIONAL RECREATION AREA country of Idaho, This proposal is als~ unique in other resp offers a rare and unusual * opportunity~ to make available for enjoyment pne of the most scenic an~ historic areas in our country. The area within the boundar4es of this bill would b the managelEnent of theY U.S. Forest S3~rvice. The bill is desi~ manage cooperatively lands which ha~4e breathtaking beauty are watersheds for our mountain stre~ms and rivers, and y thousands of acres of land which may be properly utilized for and livestock grazing, for recovery of minerals, for proper management and harvest, for fishing, for skiing, camping, an recreational uses. This diversitry makes~ possible a real balance These areas include a beautiful high wilderness in the tops Sawtooth Range, within the national sorest, where snow glist year ar&un4I, where solitud~ can be fc4hd for those who wish where emei4dd lakes spot the small can±ons and green alpine m It propo~es to designate some 121,O~O acres of national fore~ for multipitrpose use which will incibde grazing, forestry, public recreation sites, hiking trails, sdenic roads, summer ho as well as some church and ~ communiQy developments around Redfish, Yellow Belly, Alturas, and other beautiful lakes. It g owners of private lands around Stanley, Atlanta, and in the S Valley an &pportunity to use their lands in harmony with th historic, aiid pastoral beauty of the e~ire area. ~ On the valle grazing, t~~pical ranching facilities, a~nd appropriately loca designed blisiness structures and hous~s can be harmonized national rebreation objectives. I am cohvinced that Idaho's moui4ains and valley land r must be managed under the concept~of multiple use and c yield if our State is to develop econpmically and to prosp equally devoted to the idea that we ~must preserve and pro natural heritage. These two necessities, if wisely handled, incompatible. I think the establishment of the National S RecreatiOn Area will show this to be 4rue. There~u~e some 1,600 acres owned b~' th~ State of Idaho in ti which canlbe, through agreement, ma~iaged under the same si as privatèl lands, may be exchanged foi~ Federal lands in oti tions withiii the State or, of course, soi4 to owners who will thei~ with the th'ea standards and scenic 4tsements. Some 10,380 unreserved acres of public domain la$ds are in the valley, n national forest and subject to the ptublic land laws. It is that these will be classified by the Bttreau of Land Manage their highest use. Some of these lands can no doubt be sob construction of certain private recreational facility sites or or sumther home construction. The~e lands would then b under the~ s~ënic easemerit~ standitrdsiin that area. When sr have beei~i classified, and the best ~wnership determined, permits ti~ansferrmg those suitable to ~the Forest Service Thi should ndt~ be dmi~ iiti1~il~ all other 1ompatibie uses have b explored~ . ~ : We are attempting through this prdposal to permit a balan resource Use. that will ap~ea1 to all i~overs of our Sawtooth rrhe scenery is unsurpassed, but, in addition, history has b~ here. Stanley and Atlanta still ha~eth~e: aura of early-day m: livestock towns. We want to perpeti~at~ that concept. Th 12 cts. It public whole under ned to which t have wildlife timber I other of use. of the ms the it, and adows. t lands fining, aesites, Pettit, yes the Lwtooth scenic, ~r lands, ed and dth the ~sources ntinued r. I am bect our are not iwtooth Le valley andards er loca- comply acres of t in the iy hope aent for for the r winter utilized ch lands this bill transfer ~en fully Le of land country. en made i~ing and grazing PAGENO="0017" SAWTOOTE NATION of cattle and sheep upoi~ 1u~h p charm. All of these add t~ the lui This bill will use the technique tool. No condemnation of~ th~ Liii] ized. The funds for requfrilig sceni will be authorized from 1i~nd and and fishing will bounder IçlaI~o St they a~e limited to lands i~ritI~in t all the bill's provisions, bt~t I am if enacted, prove to bein the bes~ Sawtooth Valley, the State of Ida recreation area of tQp, n~guitud favorable and prOm_pt act~on~.. Mr. Chairman, I ask ~errnissi( statement by our colleagu~, congr a similar bill in the Hoüs4 of ~Rèp Senator BIBLE. Withou~.. object Hansen, of the Second Di~trict ol I. STATEMENT OF ~ Mr. Ciiairmr of presentb 88-728-67------3 EO1tEArJ.ION AREA es bounded by rail fences add this area. uic easements as a management of the private lands is author~ meats and for access easements r conservation funds. Hunting w. If land exchanges are made, ~te. I, will not go into detail on inced that 1~his legislation will, Lic interest of the people of the nd to the Nation as anational ~o~é this subcommittee takes the interest of time to file a in Hahs~n, Who has introduced tatives, bhe atatement of Congressman io, will be rñade a part of t~e IN CONGRESS s the opportunity to establish the dentical to a bill I to the concept Qf ~ng beauty; beauty 1 time to crme. incorpoMted as 13 tu~ of iti~ ~ St U fl Lo PAGENO="0018" SAWTOQTH NA'2IQNAT~ R R1~ATION AREA STAT~I~NT [OF E. L. MATHE~, 1~.E., STATI~ *IGRWJ~Y ENGINEER FOR TH~ IDAHO~ ~ ~ `, BOJUtD OF HIGHWAY DIREcToRS ~ The Idaho Dep~tment of Highways app~~ci~tes the opportunity t register its opip~ons reg~wding the construction, mai~itenance aud operation of highways facilities in the * proposed Sawtooth NatiQn~1~ Recreation A~a, ~he Dc artment~ has revie*ed the Surnmary Report of the S~*toótli Mouxitain Are& S udy and' associated eEhibits. , ~ ~ ~ ~ : . ~ ~ ~ Qur rese~tr~h indicates that the present ro dless SawtoQ~h~PrUnitiv.e rca wiU~ eventually b~ incorporated into a propose . , }Iatioi~a1 WilderRess Sys em an~1 administered~ under the Wilderness Act of ` ~4 , ~ ~ ` ` ` ~ ` ` . I * E~CTS ON mE IDAHO STA E BiGRWA~ SYaT~M ~ The Ida1~o~Department of Highways is res' onsible for nudutaining an improv~ ing the Sthtd Highway System. The study ~ ~a boundaries defined by he Sum- mary Report map entitled, "Sawtooth Mou tainStttdy 4i~a" indicate . hat' two~ major facilities on the StateHigj~way' Syster~i~ouJd be affected: U.s. Highway 13-from Gal~uia Summit ~orthward to a point seve al miles. northeast Of Stanley Village. This arterial M~Thè only major, ail~weath r, north- south route across Central Idaho. ` ` `, State~H~gl~way 21 from Eightmile Creek, iust east of LOwman, to its junction w~t'h , U.S. Xligbway 93 at StaRley Village. 1~Qr many years) the Dep~ tment ó1~ Highways h$s cooperated closely with the J?ederal Highway Adminis ation ,in~ programmiI~ improvements tothis route fo~. its pventual incorporatio into the State Highw~y System as an ~U-*eather hi~r#a.y' between BoiseValley and U.S. Highway ft3 at Stanley Village. j ` The coxitii~ued `lthprov&x~eht of these tw~high*ays `is `vital in vie of their growing importance to the State and the regjon. A. A Sawtooth Nationa1~ Recre4tion Area wot~1d `be administered by the U S. Forest, Service ~ 1. The Department of Highways assum~s that the present high egree of~ Federal-State cooperation in matters pertain~in~ to se~tkns ` of the State Highway System in National Forests `Will continii~ in~efl~ct. Pl~e scope of this co peration is spelled out in a "Memorandum Of TJnde~rstand~ng on Procedures elated to~ State Highways Over Nationa' ~?orest Land*" ` bett~reën the Departmen of High~ ways and'Rj~gions One and Fo~ir, `U.S. Fore*I~ SeFvice' (now being upda ed). 2. The ~!.S. Fth~est Seriice-pr~bsed th4ibiple-ii~e management is .: flexible type' of ~d~iinj~t~ntion mu~h thipendunt ~ adequate highways. Thi conôept would beeó~Mstent'with The `D~partthé~it of'.~1ighway8' plans for future peration~ in th~ Sa*t~Oth Area. Iñtdntiokis'Of the TLS.~F'brest Service to encoUrag `dev~iop- ment of wii~er sports centers would fixrthe~ e4ihance this reJa~tibxiship. Fd exampTle1 wintei~ sp~ft1s~ ~thusiasts destin~d"for Stanl~ `from'B~i~e V~(lley `and ot er~pOpu- latiöTi centé~s would augment the feasibility of keeping~ `State Highwa 21 oper~ during wi~tèr moi~ths. ` ~ ```` ` ~ ~` ~ ~ 3. There would be fewer interagencycoi4lieatiost~in the eonstructio , `mainte~ nance and pperation of highways. , ` ` 4. ` Jbint Federal-State interest in highw~y' impr~~nients' in the ` a ea wOUld favor lj~d~tiön of in~redsed, tecreatioñal,f~Un~dsfor-"tbad~idé ithprove ents. ` In addition, tII~i~ iiiutual interest might lend :~~~ta4co t~ftitüi~e as~ig mentS:. of PUblic La~rft~n Funds. ~ ~ ` ~ ` ~ ,T ~ ~ ` 5 The present ±ate of m~mpatible prIv~te~ ~j~elo~ment in the Sawtooth Valley a~id `1Stai~ley ` Basin coi~d' be srrestq4~ n~t~ oM~r by expanded ~ ont~ol; of highway à~óess, but by the B~i1's proposed l~hd~.Use' atsndards as well. ar~or~mie views from the road could be preserved wh~1e allowing commercial dev lopment; 6. In tl~ event that extensions' of ~` ad~kiitions to "throug~i highw ys'~, ~were required athome future date, a National R~creatión Area would not hi der,theii~ d'evelopme~it. " B. 4ddiUonal Factorsfor Consideration ~ 1. As aState agency the Department of ~ighways'must be guided b the needs of the citizens of Idaho and service to, the~road-using public in gen~r 1. In this respect the~ following factors should be oval~iated in determining the fu ure of the Sawtooth A~ea: ~ (a) physical aspects of highway imp~ov~uents should meet mo em stand- ards r~commended by the American A~sochttion of State Highwa Officials. (b) ~egula'tions pertahiing to the transportation of "out-size ," vehicles 14 PAGENO="0019" SAWTOOTH NATION~ (construction equipment, mobile h Permit Policy of th~ Dep~rtm~nt (c) Highway signing, s~gn~1izati "Uniform Manual For T$ffic Cor consistent with the "Mem~orai~cjum Department of Highways and the I (d) Traditional usage øç public (I should be ascertained aric~ prc~visio: (e) Use by commercial ~~ehicles s ice and schedules to point~ within (f) Adequate access fo~ police should be assured. 2. Existing agreements between the: pertaining to approaches, rights-of-way, applicable. 3. In its Civil Defense role, the Dept discretionary use of Federal la~ids for t detection, or other devices whi~3h might STATEMENT OF F L ]~ CREATION AREA ~ e etc.) should be consistent with the f I hways. ) a~ d markings should conform to the t ol ~ evices" and furthermore should be o U derstanding" currently in use by the rest Service. ~i h~r y) rights-of-way as stock driveways ~s m de to honor such use. i u141 be encouraged, so as to sustain serv- d tside the area. ~ tr~, investigatio~i, search and pursuit ) pa tment of Highways and landowners e se ents, etc.; should be honored where *t ~ t of'Highways should be permitted ~e lop tion of communications, signaling, b uired~ bet. ~I~AUO Auqu$t 14, ~967. ~th and the copy of [aho, ~who own islation to 15 NERS ASSOCIATION "in the no nQ~ to desi rely by ii the streams roy the home their owne: PAGENO="0020" 16 SAWTOOTH NATIONAL RECREATION AREA preserve the b~auty of these areas be left to t~e descretion of the State o~ Idaho, or the countieS involved. Your sympiiathetic consideration of this ~oint of view will be ver ~ much appr~ciate&. Sincerely, THOMAS P. 1 CHAPTER Swno Co Tt~in Falls, Idaho, August 11, :IELY. `1967. lion. LEN B. JORDAN, New Senate Office Building, Washington, D.C. DEAR SENATOR JORDAN : I certainly appreciate receiving your nice July 24 with reference to bill S. 1267. As you will recall, my son Robert J. Mus~er visited you in your goo the latter part of June. The comments and si4ggestions which he left wit that time, as per an enclosed copy, include i4y owit thinking as to how should be handled. I would like to comment, after refleet4~g e~ all of the comments at thE at Sun Valley a year ago, and after appraisir~g the situation from my oi point and that of my friends and neighbors involved in this Stanley Ba that I believe it would be to the best interests. of the people of Idaho, anc of us who lu~ire property ownership in that ar~a, if this Bill were someho~ to die, and leave the area as it now is. As one 1$vels throughthe Basin, it obvious that the Forest Service has ample r~rea and latitude in their ~ accomplish w~iat needs to be done to provid&a recreation area, and allo' ownership to develop under proper zoning li~ws to be instituted by the involved, atid the State of Idaho. Anythihg~~ik3h ~rou c~n do along the line c~f'-b~ir comments on the Bill back to leai'litig the area á~ it now stand~ whi$hever you eafibest do to pi private prop4rty rights of ownership which *e owners in the area now] be deeply ap'~reciated. I With best personal regards, I am, Yours sinO~i'~ly, JAMES L. [Enclosur~1 S-1267-SAwTOOTH NATIONJU~ RECREAuION AREA COMMENTS O~ BILI~ etter of~ I office~ ~. you at this bill hearing in view- ;in area~ to those ali~wed becomes owOrs to v private cOunties ~ric1oced, otet~t c~ui~ rave, `still uss~E. M Section öb This sect~n appears to be very broad. AI1~specific objectives appareir spelled out i~i regulations., This could be very :da*erous fOrseveral rea 1. Laud diSposal and a~cquieit~ion would b~ SOlt4~r hi the hands of adm officials with very little guideli4ës or restri4öns ~ the Bill. 2. Any prof~oeed Secretarial action agai4ta~ lándaw~ier *ould be p these i~ula'UOi1S, and the iandbwñer's possiUle legal recoh~e or appeal ~ to be through i~dmInistratlvO: ôhannels iust~ad of throi~gh the courts enperience that this is not the most desirable riiethod for ~ the landow an equitable judgement. Also, thO courts hate ruledthat they have no in Federal regulation. 3. There is not the opportunity for the public to be aw~te of, ai opinions to new regulations that there is, if ~more specifics were incorp( the bill. 4. ~bereis alwaysthe danger of regu1ati~ns being put into effect ~: adversely aiffect a landowner who had alr~ady invested a eonsideral money in his land. The threat of this wou1d~be deterrent to a landowner his land. ~ ~ . Section 5c . I "Scenic Easement" as it appears in the *ew bill appears to be anoti condemnation. For instance, the small landowner of five acres or less can use his land for only one purpose, a homesite. If the Secretary w an easement on this parcel re~tricting the *se of the land for homesit' is obviously worthless to the landowner. AU he has left is the privlleg~ taxes on it. * . ~ . ~ly will be Ons. aistrative rsuant to oiild have It i's my her to gOt irisdiotiOzi td express rated into dcli would le sum E~j~ iwprov~g er form of obviously ~re to take i, the laud of paying PAGENO="0021" Section 6e Co~idemnation authority ~nd limits has been done in this c1aus~. With acreage limitation, the major'ty c~f the SUG~ This is a rather unique, bill in that laud. Therefore, some unique uideline~ 1. The Secretary axid Fore t S~rvicE what private land `they are ter in S propose to allow, and in wha , areas sh will know just how they, wil be' ~ffe~ This could be done by pre~las ifying a~ commercial use, homesites, i tei~sive these areas, should be incórpo ated mt Secretary to modify these as circumstai procedures.. These modificatio~is could plained later) and then to pul~lic heari~ . 2. That the Secretary canr~ot put a less than 160 acres in size w~tbout vç establish fair and reasonable' ~onh~g la~ ` owners intended use of the 1ai~d. . ~ 3. That before the Secreta~y c~n cc ~b1ic Lands, a determinatio~ mi~t be actually needed' by the Govéi~nm~nt, a access and use of tb~ pu~Jie la~d. 4, Any p4psed `r~ulatjobI which should have r~ot~se through ~ Distri private land;' not public land. L ~. An Advisoi~y J3oard, or ~Tse Comi on it; be established `to advis~ th~ Sec also could qr eoulçl not~be z,~tz~icted to think such a cofl~rnissior~ worU~ be help; mission to be made up~as fOllo~vs: Landowners 160 acres and ove~ Landowners under 160 acres J Com~nercial users Custer County - - - Blame Oounty~. Fish and Game OQrnipi~sign o~ ~ Sportsmans Association 6. That at this time, propos~d e~chax area and that if a parcel of laud~ present the purpose of this act; th~ laz~Uo*ner' within the exchange area. (Subject to aj 7~ , Section 5c should be worc~ed ~tron~ nation shall adversely at~ect anly present ~ parcel of land, but shall be lii~ited to be in harmony with the purposes of this It is 4isturbing `that' from~ r~adh~g th condemnation of one'form or anpther ati in developing a fully multiple uCe recrea' It floes not seem logical that sQn~ ipt an area of 360,000 acres in harmony wi Forest Ser~dce is a multiple use' agency; and homesites are definitely a distinct iai To pass such an important b~ll as tbi~ ~wn~s to set, up homesite$ in areas that' out exchanges with people who i~re agrees As this area is of vital intporta~ice to n centage of people iii Idaho', thes~ people in forming the bill and pai~4ci~atO in invested a lot of money, and drdams into with protecting its present beauty a~ the ~ECREATION AREA need to be spelled out clearer than ly restriction being the five percent landowners could be taken out. )NS ml Agepey will be managing private Drocedlures should be put into the bill. a pretty good idea at this time, just Basin. The type, o~ structures they o put in the bill so people concerned nd not' held in indefinite suspense. wable uses such as grazing, ranching, tio~ areas etc. and a map' showing )ill. There could be guidelines for the `arrant, but only through established betore an `advisory board (to be ex- c easement Qfl any trace of land of ~y copsent of the owner. Except to t will not preclude the private land- n land for access and utilization of by an Idaho Court that the land is crc is no reasonable alternative for Lve~'s~ly affect a private lando~vner irt. This could be restricted to only L~ or whatever tag you ~ant to put on any proposed regulations. This bion~ affecting private land. I would all proposed regulations. This corn- Member 1 1 1 1 ~ ,.. 1 1 .: 1 ~as be set out within the recreation r future use, is'~pot in harmony with allo*ed to select a parcel of land Li of the present owners.) at no scenic ç~asement or condem- Dmary or obviously intended use of ure. change of use which would not so much of it is concerned with ~le to working with the landowners ea. .t homesite use cannot be made in er uses in the area. After all, the supposed to be a multiple u~e bill, Lout first working with the land- rnp~tible with other uses and work exchange, would be a big mjstake. ~r the landowners but a large per- be aliowed'to play an active part ;ing the. area. These people have rca and are every bit as concerned t Service. SAWTOOTH NATIO~ ~ti 5] 17 0I `ed nç~ av ic 4' al~( tie 1 5 ter~ I t~ La ar ui i~c Li, 1-* p a e, C 11 ib ~ov, `, t~ u~t rt~l~ suM: bi~l ) ijt :L oti IIC( ~ e~J ~ t~ oni ~u1~ na~ .is ~ )re~ PAGENO="0022" 18 SAWTOOTH NATIONAL R CREATION AREA :4~ ARRY~ ROBERTSON & DAI Y, ~ I Twin Falls, Idaho. Re Senate bill No. 1267-Sawtooth nationaUrecreation bill. Hon. LEN B. JORDAN, U.S. Senate Office Building, Washington, D.C. ~ DEAR SENATOR JORDAN : When I testified qoncerning the previous vers ~ above bill in Sun Valley in June of 1966, I was~greatly concerned as to the right of coñd~emnation allowed to the Govern~ient by the provisions of th4 under eonsi4eration. From the remarks ma~e by the Senators at the S hearing, I b~lieve that it was their jntenti~x~ that the power of con~ would be re~tricte~d in aiiy final legislation tl~t~t was passed on this subj think that i1~ w~ your intentior~ and the inte~ition of Senator Church tth should cont~in some restrictions on the powe~ of condemnation of private in Sawtooth~ Valley. f 2 ~ When orii ree~ds Seçtioti 5(a) of S. 1267, hb gains the impression that be some limitation on the power of cóndei*iation which is generally Section 4. A close reading of all of Section 5, however, fails to reveal even limitation on this power. I think that the verbally expressed intention of sors of this Bill should be unequivocally stated by amending Section 5(a) to read as follows : Section ~(a). The authority of the Secre~ry to acquire an interest property by condemnation shall be limited j~o the acquisition of scenic and easerne~iits for access to and utilization~of pubhc property as in ti described.. I This ams~Iidment is, I am sure, of utmost4nnportaiice to all property the valley, and I hope that you will give it y~ur pQs~sonal and ~tirnest con A letter Of import similar to this is beihgfrrittento Seiiatoc~biirch Very truly yours, on of the mlimited bill then in Valley ~mnation ct; and I ,t S. 1267 property bbere will ranted in n implied the spon- of the BiU in private ~asements is Section owners in id~ration~ T.M.ROB SRTSQN. Lrnes A. Senator JORrAN Thank you Very n~iuch, Mr Chairman . Sene~tOrBIBLE. The ~ ~ next witn~~ ~ is . the, Honorable J McClure, ~ a Representative from the ~Ffrst District of Idaho. Is Congressman McClure here? ~ (No response.) ~ t Senator BIBLE Our next witnes~ is the Honorabli~ C ~ Freeman~Secretary of Agrieu1ture~ a~cornpanied by Hon. E Cliff,- Ghi$ ofthe~For~at Servioe,.Dej~rtment of AgrieUltUr( Youmiiy proceed; * . { ~ STATEMUT OF RON, ORViLLE.~~ ~. FREEMAN, SECRE~1 AGRICULTURE ; ACCOMPANIED ~BY EDWARD P~ CLIP OF PE~ FOREST SERVICE, DEPARTMENT OF AGRICUL' ~vi11e L. [ward P. `ARY OF ?; CHIEF I~URE mmittee, S bill will ~ 351,000 3 Salmon sawtooth Secretary FEEEMAN. Mr. Chairm4i and members of the ç I am herb to give my wholehearted ~upport to S. 1267. Thi establish ~ as the Sawtooth NatiOn4 Recreation Area som acres of 4nagnificent country `in Id*o ~t the source of th River ~nd in th~ rugged mountai4s and valleys of the Range. ? Having camped in the Sawtooth ~ Mountains 3 years ag Senator Church said ~ a few moment$ ~ ago, having just retu: a delightful trip down a portion of the Salmon River, I can attest to the superb recreation qualities of this area. The e of othc~r hatui~il resources, the hi~bry of the area, and t tunities Jior a variety of outdoor exp~ ~iences combine to give tremend4us recreation and educati n potential. Its recogi develo~4ent will strengthen the arc ~`s rural economy. ; and, as ned from )ersonally bundance he oppor- the area a iition and I PAGENO="0023" SAWTOOTU I~1ATIONA The proposed national r~crè~tio ~and exceptionalcapacity fo~ provid and natural environm~nt. We bel ~for a national recreatidn ar~a and is nition of its outstanding qi~lities. The Forest Service of th~ Depai and developed the resour~es on I with full recognition of th~ir sUpe: both traditional recreation faeiliti tooth primitive area. The use and~rnanageme~t of tl~ years been a matter of kee~i intere~ to time, since 191 1, there have be :. posals to give it some speei:~il ~atu~ nition and provide for tii~ely dev ~ in view of this continu~d interest :~ .Agricult~ire, in 1963, beg~a~an ~it ~: Sawtooth country and~of the op recreation-seeking public, i~rieet th ~ ~ and contribute to ~the ~on~oni~ of ~ rrhe~tudy.j~epor~ sug~s~ed~bwo : tive was national p~rh ~ Thr ti establishment ~ of a nat~M~l park the ownership pattern and u~è~ iii) ~ The Other alterna~t!v~ ~p$pQ~ed ~ ment of a ~ area under the adihith~tr~tik,n L ~ ~ the ~own~ership would be reqi4rth M Oontinüed as compatible i~ith the would be administered. As a nat~ ~tinue to be managed so as to c~ resourcOs. ~ ~ ~ In the 89th Congress, two bills this area `were introduced. 9ne bill National Park ; the oth~r `~ Sawtoc ~hearings were held in Ida1~o on tb `attending the hearh~gs fa~ored esi area and continued adm~nistrati ivould carry out this ~pp$hc1~. ` Scenic~iJly, the prop~ed recreat: the jagged Sawtoo~thRhnge, whic] year, and other ranges `of the S lakes and 42 peaks over 10,000 $awtooth primitive `area. ~fhé Sal `primitive area provide hunting, camping, hiking, riding, at~d water ized by spacious forests ai~d~ beau~ Except for a relati'~eiy ~ma1l ar~ area is within the bound~ries of National Forests. It would i~clu~ forest land, abOut 10,400 acres oi acres of State, andab~ait ~2,400 a CREATION AREA a is `a land of singular beauty itdoor recreation in a spacious t meets all the basic criteria worthy of congressional recog.. it of Agriculture has protected rnds under its administration *e qtialities. We have'provided I the wild and beautiful Saw- wtooth country has for many illy and nationally. From time ~ has been pointed out-pro- ~h would insu~re national recog- iient of its multiple resources. Depa~tthents of Interior and ~ sttid~y- of' `the resoutces of the ~itiestIiey~ offer to serve the .s~nf ~h'e Nation for wilderness, ountie~ whê~eIn they lie. ative approaches. One altërtia~ a.~Th~i revert pdinted out that 1 `make~signific~nt ~ha~ng~ in Lr~. ~ ~ ~ ~; ~ , , ~ estabii~liL su~h~ the' ~ `would~contiiiiTh st ~Servioe; Fewer ~h~ge~~in of' the ~existing `u~è~ ~oiild~ be ir~r `~ur~ose for Which t'he~arëa recreation area, it conld' ~b~3- ye and `de~telop its recreation 32~i4 `arid S. 3295-concerning Ld have `esthblished a Sawtooth ational Recre~tion Area. Field c7o bills. The majority of those Imeut' of a `national recreation ~: the `Th~rest Service'.~ S. 1267 ea~'offers tha~nificent views of iowcapped~a large ` part of' the :i River Mountains. ~ O~rer 180 n elevation are in the existing Ri\rer ~ headwaters east of the iing, many opportunities for ts in an environment character- akes a~n'd streams. the east `side, the 351,000-acre Sawtooth, Ohallis,' and Boise `out 317,000 acres of national lic domain lands, about 1,600 )f privately owned lands. RE ii ut fi 19 ~re y jil~ ti $ 1: ~ti~ ai~ rh~ )pI blie ~iy t~th e ,c erl ot~] re Ly in~ set t tl I" ie ii. ELI DI ~ ti EL] 0:' Li if t le 5: i'!N 3 is `5 5 ~t on~ fis~ DOt Lii: ~ie ~ a] )U1 as ` `~ ` ` ~ ~ PAGENO="0024" SAWTOOTH NATIONAL *ECREATION AREA Thi~ area is a very valuable pub~i~ outdoor recreation ~ esource. Outdoor ~creation, p~rti~ularly .esthjetic a~d wilderness en oyment, shouldb~ecognized as a l~ey value ~~the:man~agement of the e lands. Recent. ji4rusive an4* potentially de~4ructive developments epresent the grea~e~t immediate tl~eat to the~ ~e~iic integrity of vai~ y lands and ~r~n~n~t of the are$~ by visitor4 S. i2~7~ would provide autliorities1~and programs to subs antially accornpl~sJ~ the required protection, ~evelopmen~,. and publc enjoy~ iaient Qf~ ti~is extraordinary land. Under the provisions of this bill, the' Secretary of the Inte br may transfer t14~e public domair~ lands to l~he jurisdiction of the ecretary of AgriG~iiture. ; The ~bi1~t ôontemplates that, in gefi~ra1, seenic `easement will be acqw~reiI iki privately owned land 1t4 would prohibit the ac uisition of fee tit~ to S~te and !=vate lan4s in the area by cond mnation except foil certam specified purposes ITo assuj~e that the use and de~ yelopm~z~ of privatelyowi~ed prQpert~r~is~consistent with the urposes ,of the nat~ona~L recreation. ~rea, tbebiJl provides that t~ie Secretary of .Agricuitm~e will establish, by reguhtibi~, standards for the u~e of the various tracts of private property within the natioi~ial recreaMon area. So~ng ~s tI~: Ia~cl~ are used in aepord with these stand rds; the ~ ~f `the Department . of Ágrjci4ture. to acquire s~e ic ,ease~ n~.en~ts `w~thout the consent of ~l~e ow$er ~ouid be suspended, ~ * We coul4 acquire any ir~erest~ ~o1~4~lãig fee, ~tle, by aniea ~, Ic nego- 1~iati.o~i: OJ~ ~ cc~d~~pnation c~ri~ex~ted to by the own . If the .estabji~h$~ ai~andaJ~4Is 1~n; .~ise~ Q~ a ,p$~tk~la~,;tract were not ~et by tbe~ ow~er~ we then could acquire thijugh condemnation sce ic ease~ ~rI:Leztta , s~de~iate to . p~aint~in the coi~patib1e use of the la U. Such ~çeni~ ~aseinents, however, would nott affect uses of the lands existing ~~qr,to aeqi~ie~ion of the easement. ~ Ei~ankIy, this respor~ibiity for the issuance and applic. tion of regulations coupled with the limitation on acquisition of rivately owned p]~Qpertyrn the area bycondem~ation'wffl pose some ad inistra- t4ve pi~bl~i~s fc~ us. I waji;it to maJu~ it clear,, t~o~g ` .h, . that , e fully support i~J%~ concept of scenic ~aseme~ts here. , , , With thie ch&iges we prOpose pruxu4i~ily to clarify ce~taan p ovisions of the .b4J~ we believe we can ina~e th~one of the ~utstandin recrea- tion spp~s~fl ~ NQrtbW~3$t. ` J ` The Department of Agriculture, in 1~ringing to bear its fi~ll espurces to meet the needs of our, people in tI4e year `2000 and beyon , , yjews conse~va1~i~ri. as the full sweep of i~t~r~~1ated natw~al resou ce~ and thpir ~anage~ne~ a~id use. The ijse, restoration, and preser ation of .r~spi~ij~~ ~r~i~t 1~ i~iad~e compatible. , , Mr. QJ~eirw~n, i~y I deviate fromjmy statement at this p : mt and threct `the ~cpmmittee's attention to "IJ~tesources in Action," a Depart~ i~ient c~$g~k~ilture. p~ii~ptt~et, which ~çe~~ve p~epared in' the Depart- mont, in *hkj~ we. ~soi~gl*.to set ~JO4~: ~t~idards and goals looidng to the h;JD~ ,of re~oi~ces usa that ~we"w+~4d' e~'v~gp~in the yea 2000. I don't k~;L~ that this need ~o be in tliejrecord- Senator B1RL~. We woujd be,v~ry 4~ppy to have those fo the use of the coi~m~t~ee. Will you band thei~ to our staff ~~ber? `I don't think I will make them a part of thi~ particular record ~3u we will circularize them among the members of the committee for t eir use, ~nc1 a1~o ke~p ~ COpy before the committee. 20 PAGENO="0025" SAWPOOT~& NATIO~ Secretary FREEMAN, ~liai~k y point, because I want ~to ~mphasi standards and the direction in wi the lands within the juri~diction The proposed Sawtooth Nati example of where this oa~i and ii nationwide as well as loc411y. The Sawtooth Natim~u~l RecrE that primitive lands ar~ oómbii recreation so that each ~omple~ highly attractive cornp1e~c of re now concept also in that l~restook lands is now and can coi~tinue ti that contributes material'y to th standpoint. The old mining and ra~nc1~ to~ authentic touch of the 91d We Their restoration and d~ve~opm providing recreational a~id educ services to the visiting p~bliQ. Within this area lies on~ of the and steelhead. Protection and eni the other wildlife re~urc s o~ tin Fish and Game Departm nt will and commercial fishing al the wa hunting is enjoyed by m ny dur to keep big game herds ir~ balanc : Timber operatio~us do ~Ot pro~ ever, timber cutting will coutinu sawmills in the area. Som~ jobs f support~ed. These timber ~peratio t1~e recreation, scenic, and~ hu~itin~ of major importance tq the re area is~ the Sawtooth prithitive ai of about 200,000 acres an4 adjace: ness consideration in acc~dance i~ Act. Although tixis area i~ not ox already recommended for w~dern work has been completed We ex late this year or early in 1968. Enactment of S. 1267 ~rili give scientific, historic, fish and wildlif~ outstanding Sawtooth ar~a. It w ditious development to as~ure opt a variety of summer and ~rinter o If S. 1267 is enacted, ~we fore~ public of the national r~creatiox lands received 388,000 visi~tor day to an estimated 420,000 visitor d area, we estimate that by:~197O th about 750,000 and by 19~5, abo about the recreation area ~vi1l reo( This acceleration of pu1~lic use the timing of development progra ~ECREATION AREA :r. Oha4rman. I deviated at this it this bill is. consistent.with the ~e seek to move in administering e Department of Agriculture. Reoreatinn Area affords a fine è done with significant benefits i Area offers a new concept in vith areas ofl~ering road-access the other in an unusual and onal opportunities. It offers a hing on both private and~public a compatible and desirable use. rest of the area from the public f Atlanta and Stanley offer an a wealth of historical lore. ~vffl have the dual purpose of Lal opportunities and personal )r spawning areas of the salmon ment of this great resource and ~ in co~junotion with the Idaho it visitors to the area and sport he Pacific Oceaxi. Elkand d..eer ie fall months and is essential 1 their habitat. . arge ~ of timber. HOw- rôvide some raw materials ~ to al residenta will continue tO be Li be cOnducted so as to protect fishingiuilues of the area. on and scientific values of this L 1261 provides that this . area ids will be reviewed fOr wilder~ he provisions of the Wilderness the sI~ primitive areas I have batus, mOst df~.the. preparatory to have our recommendations onal recognition to the scenic, nomlo, and other values of the ovide for adequate and expe- a public use and enjoyment of )r resources and experiences. onstantly growing use. by the a. Iii 1965, National Forest ~se. In 1966, this use increased With the national recreation itor~da~s of use will aggregate 200~000. Private lands in and dditionnl use also. equire a ~ub~tantiaI stepup in accommodate visitors to the 21 )~ t1~ t~i ;t I ,ith ci $ be atE Sc Lt )~ :~t ii iaj re~ to ~o lo~ h~ of ,ot~ e* i1~ do ~f i irs. ill S L~J ix ii if' 83-728---07-----4 PAGENO="0026" oking,. resént~ ~i1s tth and ~rvI~es more ç~aa1~ quan- a wiU ~ecrea- ~rovide Dortve -s eom~ ational rids for my of Upon o bring speedy a very )epart- ~ered a rrently ca- i Areas `t that~ Seneca ron -say nature valley number- ivisiona ips ares 22~ area.'Wè-~siimate that by; l9~75 fãcjJiti4~Qv ~tmpiiig~uid pickp~ to aocommodat~ 5,QO~ persons at one Jiw~e, will be needed ~ capacity is -less than 2,OOO~at- a~given ~ti~e~ . - ~ -~ ~ We will' ako: need to i~prove an~iu . crease i~oads ax~d tr r~creational areas, to faeibtat~ exijoym~nt of the s~emc queiiti furnish better raccess to"5urnpo1l~" ~point~around the wiiderness~ We would hope to provide increased visitor .i~nformation : and interpre~tave programs to make the ~tay of users to the are prodnctivo and enjoyable These are n4ea~ures th~f would be taken by ~tV1~e Forest Scrvic~ as p~u~t `1 ii~a ~pirogram for the n forests They wr~ll need~o b~ advanced n ~ijue~ ii~r~d increased ii tity to meat ~ ti~ ar~celei~at~d thse the ~uit~oh~l re~reat~ou a~' receive. ~ -: ~ . - ~ . ~ ` `. . " ..- . ~:- - - ` , ~ ( . In sumtnary, the lands pr~posed for t~ Sat~tootli National] tion Area are outstanding in scenic beaitty and the capacity tol healthful ~~o~itdo or~ reereatith~. They have many resources ~up of local iàdusit-ries aitdE-the economy th~ft can be utilized jI1W~ patible wilth. mereation use ;~ ~thes.e 1a4~i~. fully ~ q~.ialify for i~ recognition as a recreation area The ~velopment of these la optimum use can effectively contribut~ ~o: ivpgrad-ing `the: econ a predrnnithiitly rural are~ whi~± is ~uici~easingly depeiiden public use d the surroundiitg recreatio4 ~ource~ ~ ~ ` This is fo~ward-looking legislation a~4l another oppoi t~inity t the `full forces- of creative conservatioEinto piay - .- L urge - enactment~ ` . ` ` ` ~ - . Senator BIBLE. Thank you very m~ich,. Mr. Secretary, for- fine statement. ` - ; ~ ~ ~ Let me ask a few questio~is. Is this ~he~ first time `that the.] ment of Agriculture, threügh its Fore~t.. Ser~ice, -"bac adminis national rèareation area? . . ~ . ~ ~Secreta~* FflJ~MAN~ `No~ Mr. Cha~rnan. ` There ` are tlire national' r$~reation areas ~ih which ti~e ~orest Service is c~ conducting;~the administration.. One i4~tbe Shasta-Trinity A~ `Senator ~BIBn~LI That is in the, Shas~a-Trinity~Whiskeytowi whiehis i~~the State~öf the great Sen~$r- from California. Isi administered jöintly;~rith the Departn*ezLt of the interior? Secret-ar~y FRi~MxN. That is corre~t. And Spruce Knob Rocks, ifl) Wes.t Virginia. - - ` ` ~ ~ ` -/.; Senator BIELB. Yes, I amfamiiar with that. Secretary FREEMAN. And, third, ~4ount Rogers, in Virgi there are three of thepa cur~rently whio~i We are administering. Senator~BIBLE. This particular concfept here, though, is' en~ as being ~o~npietely administered by- t~ Forest Service? Secretar~t FREIEMA'N. That is correct~ Senator BIBLE. I note in your stat~rn~nt on -page 3 that that there are.22,400 acres of privately d~wned lands. What is th4 of that private ownership? Is it grazing land? Secretary FREEMAN. It is land, most of which lies in th~ as indicated by the white on the map here. It is used for a of purposes : commercial, ranching. A~d there are some subd which give us particular concern at tifds time. Senator ~ BIBL~ How thany *~indiv3diial .private ownersh there withi~n the~22,4OO aefes? ` ` ~ . nia. So isioned- PAGENO="0027" SAWTOOTH NATIOI ~r ?R~-- - N. Frankly, ~ECREAT~ON, AREA nnot~ answer that question. Do are 40 5 of ecretary Senator 1 Now, "mi~ does that I uld apply flue. ~hBLE. ownerships. term.. What. or a. restaurant. of t~hose,. and mjniuig ~ further to see s created. As to e operation of his irst in general terms? e would be that the rdmstrative reguIa-~ will be eonsistent ~reation use, his-. of zoning, Mr. es clown tois akind uses ~l, some And phaseisbe~ problems, past exj~erie~ tion, this is where we a~e aiwa examples throughout our great p I just wanted to be ver~ dear a you intended doing. But if I un~ gory of the motel owner and th I man, et cetera, this group of 40 them to continue as they are? Secretary FREEMAN. L~t's put compatible, we would hope some. in order to bring all that into c , he could continue on this particular b to ~ive yousome tee is any indica- trouble-we could use many nd national recreation system. that you had in mind and what nd you correctly, in this cate- owner and the service station e, you would intend to permit s way: If we find the use is not cement could be made amicably mance with the standards we I 23 FREEMAJ would coni Senator if thereh E~1 0 1 st~ ar op1 S [C p ii titi ,foi PAGENO="0028" 24 SAWTOOTE NATIONAL R1~iEEATION AREA to as I would seek th see accomplished. But there is no power in this ill force that co~np1iance. ~ ~ Senator B~BLI I noti~e you have th$ ~ow~r of condemnati n Secretary ~?R~MAN We ~ould not l~ave the power of cond mna- tIon except jfor very htmted msth~icesf that are s~t forth he e for acquiritig e~ettieflts for accè~s and ce~r4a~ni kinds of developm nt Senator B~BLE. Is that ~ what the bi~~~? ~ thought you ad a pretty bro~d~pow~ of condemnation. i . Secr~tarjr FEEEMAN. No. The po*er~ of cOndemnation as ~ ar current tisös are concerned- Senator BIBLE. That is wliat I am thiking about. Secreti~ry' FREE1~AN. No power of cc~d~mnation except for ease- ment purpo~es of access or certain kin4s of administrative pu poses or dii~et i~teati~ pnrpós~; as di~ti~fii~hëd froth s~3nic. An then it is limited Ito 5 percent of the land injvoliied. So the power f con- demn~tion ~ shar~ily ~irciitn~~bed in t~r~ bill Senator BIBLE. We have run into maI~y problems on this co dem- nation feature, as this committee knowsJBüt~ there ai~e many ins ances where you ntust have that if you are to *void incompatible stru tures. That would be my only ~oncern. ~ Section 4 says: "Subject to the limitations hereinafter set forth, the Secret~r may acquire by purchtise4vith donathd or approp iated funds, by gift, exchange, bequest, or .o~het*ise"-and I ~ unde stand that that "dthô±wise" does embrace cqde~nat~on-~-"s~Uch la ds or interests th~fl within the botuidaric~4 bf the i~eci'eation area as he determines th be n~eded for the purpos~~M this act" And I h~e ~iôt read thö bill t~ hitrO$!k~d in ~om~piete deta 1, but possibly it iscircurnscribed as you indica~e by "~3j~ct tb ljrnita ions:" Senator Q~iirnc~r. May I just for tli* recoi~d read that pi~c~ ~ i~ioii?, ` Senator BXBLE. I wish you would. ~ Senator : CHuEc~. It ap~i~ars at ~ ~ 5, liner 17, subs~ti ~n (é), and it reads: ` : . ~ ~ The 1unit~ti~rns 1i~remabove set forth on th~ authority to condemn an ~ nterest hi~ 1~id~ ~haU ~tôt a~1y to property whkth th~ci~tary d&tërrnines to be heçded for easementS ~for access to and utilization o~ public property;~ ~Erovido , That the ~cquisitiOti4f6r such pw~po~es SI*U nc~t ez~o~4 ~ per ~entu~n of the total ciroage of all pftvate~ owned property m the recreatiq~ ~a ~ I think ~t1j~t the.. :teStflI~fl~ of tire S~i~ai~ and~ also :øf M . Cliff makes clear That so far as ~ condernnatio~i m fee is concerned, it is not autho~iz&liJeyond the~ limits of.5Ø$rcent of'the pre~ent rivate holdings. Is that not your understandin~g? . Secretary FREEMAN. `That is clear. I might call attention, S nator Church, to a letter which you have not had time to review yet, which I ref~rreci to in~m~V testimony, which has been filed ~rith. th coIn- mittee. W~ apologize for it not having been filed earlier. Eu there have been Some questions. about this Imatter within the ex cutive branch, i.n t~rms of working out the l4tter in which. we mak some recommend$tions which are primairily~ iii * the nature ~ of cia ifying language. Thit in this instance, we w~1d add, in addition to the easement f~r access to and utilization ~f publicproperty, the words "and for recreation and other administi~tive fa~iities." ~ Senator' CimEcH. That' is an' àmendii~nt that you propose? Secretary FREBMAN. This .~ would. be ~ clarifying amend~ne t. But' the 5-percent limit would still hold. ~ PAGENO="0029" r ~tJ~L b 0 b at it~ c1~ e~ç (1~ d S4~ )S `U 25 SAWTOQT NATI( RECREATION I~REA 1~ Senator CHURCH. So that yo the same as mine, that interpre for acquisition of the private pr declared purposes in the bill, percent of the total ac: eage of recreation area? Secretary FREEMAN. Senator CHURCH. I t fl erpretati .~ on of that language is being that condemnation power y in fee ca~i be used only for the ~ aUy event ~eou1d n~t wç~ed 5 rivately owned property in the t. ould make the record clear on 0 S section 5, iiow that I read it a ~ ai~thority of the Secretary to U it. But this is something that t does cause us so much concern. uiderstand your testimony, you `p some 450 lots, if I understood a re lots? There are no improve.. `7 I ots which have been subdivided. een sold to individual owners. 0 only a small part- en improved? m~nt," you mean what; they `hat is ought that. Senator BIBLE. I thu k the little more in detail, bears up condemn, and puts the limitati I think should be very clear, bec Now, in this third category, envision-there is in private ow you correctly; is that correct? Secretary FREEMAN. Yes. Senator BIBLE. Now, these ments on them? Mr. CLIFF. There are about 2 Approximately 4450 of them h~ And about 30 have been improv Senator BIBLE. How many ha Mr. CLIFF. About 30, approxi Senator BIBLE. And by "im put homes on them? Mr. CLIFF. That had houses 1 Senator BIBLE. Well, as the the hardest problem we had was Now, as this bill is before us or both of you, what can the o this becomes law? Can be build house with so many square feet, Mr. CLIFF. On the lots that those improvements would con negotiate a purchase in case we would try to negotiate a purchase on the part of the owner. The unimproved lots, as I ui could be subject to the regulatio Senator KUCHEL. You mean ~ ship? Mr. CLIFF. Yes. Senator KUCIIEL. I want you Senator BIBLE. We have had is why we want to be very careful, headacI~es in the future if we cai the real diflicult area of creating or lakeshore area or wh~ tever, trouble, right in this area we are Secretary FREEMAN. It clearly comment earlier on zoi~in is apr Senator ICuCHEL. Zonk g by w Secretary FREEMAN. B . the ~~:i them. r from California could testify, area oi~ subdivisions. y, Mr. Secretary, or Mr. Cliff, o~ the Jot do with the lot after ldnd p~ a home on it; a $5,000 rat? y have improvements on them, as they are, unless w~ could ed they were iflcompatible. We cbange~ This would bevoluntary and the provisions of this bill, the Secretary- hey remained in private owner~ 9 Q dore into' tb~t a little bit, then. experience with this area. This 11 save this ~omrnittee countless t tbi~ out ~atisfactorily. This is tiow~l park or recreational area his is whei~e we are always in ssing now, ~nd I think Senator Church's ary of Agriculture, in effect. PAGENO="0030" SenkWrK~ucREL. I ~estion wlieth~ you have that authorit SenatorC~jiu~n. ~ I think T c~ c1~tr~ diat up,if I may. ~ I thipk you ~e quite right in ~ ra4sir ~: the question. ~ The b proaoh~ j~1;4s whole question in the folio ~ing fashion. It provid the Secretary shall establish si~andard~ concerning future de ments that will apply in the area. An4 these standards look t dispersal to avoi4~conentrated deveiopjineñt on the valley floo look toward th~ preservatiOn of the ~4enic qualities. ft is tru the Fecleral ~oyernment ~i~L all . like1i~oo4 ku~ks the ~ author enforce zonft~ig regulations ~s such A~i4 so the tnlI provides ti Go\ etnmdn1~ may acqu~te s~~,nic easeri~14ts Senator 1~tJCHEL }3y purch~1se o~by~c+~hdem~nat1ofl'? ~ ` Senator CHURcH. By ~ondeflhITa~On.kAfld these ~beni~ eas ~ ould then enforce th~ zoning patterfl~ I~ut this is the appro `other ~~brds, full vidue has~ tO be given ~jth~r through negotiati private owner or by condemnation proceeding in a I~edera~ actioi~, ~ . . Seriitör~f(i~dHEL. As 1 ~ think the n ~thbers of this stib~on kno~; ~We hj~4 ~ Foup = of hungry~ a~ .cioU5, schemrn~ builde (~11~o~;11~ dest~oy~ the ~o~icept of the P mt Reyes National So And I thMh~ it ô~ht to Ve made clear- It dc not beiev~ that th~ constitutional bas~1s on ~h~dh a d~parti? &i~ of dhr ~öirèftn~ien lay down standai ds i~y ~&ch propert3~ ~t±thhi a ~h en State n irnght ~iot~be improved Obviôtisly, the ~dera1 Gd~' ~rnment do the power by cdndemnat~dn or oth~t*i~e to ae4~iire interests i erty. And I think that ough1~ to be don~. But I also believe tha the gre~t areas of constrtthtiye ~o~e~tiqn where we ` deter reci eation i~rea is neceSsar~ST to the peo~Ie lies in the Federal ruent-in this instance, you, Mr Seer e~aD~r, and your p~ople- with the Iç~ca1 oJficia~s who prosumaljiy i~ oulid still have w rights to ~ue 1~1~at theçr d~d bef~*è a *~k or a re~freation ar . èstablished.1And how grë~it~ it wduld ~~th8ltk~al officials coo with the St~ite and the Federai GoveDn~ñ~nt~m preventing tho .lotsjrOinb~igifrLpr0Y~d b~y all kin4s ~fine1k~gant construetio ~ei~ator I3IBLE If I might uiterject at that point-and I a~rep ~norO w~th the Senator from Ca~forhia, becaus~ we ha w~ththi~ p~óbl~th agood many years, %ind'it doè~seëmto be p~oper1 zoning authority is the county within which these unit lots are located ` And this is exactly ~~here we have thad ti 1 aise4 Tw~e after tthie, we asI~ed the ~unt~ involvod to pas ~fld~e~dnab1ê zoililig Ôthibanc~ 1~ ajt3~oi~d thë~em~rOtiA~hn1ent subdivisioi~s. Audi hope that that can Je done here. .. ~ ~ ~ ;i~ ~ay~in t~1*L1; ~onne~tidi~ N/fr~1 t~tTL~ ea4e~f' biji that ~ehat~r 5oMah ~4id f1~drafted and~ on w held loc~l hearth~s at $uh ~Va1le~ did ~iitbhi th~is1 kind of a p Our ioncept 4~vas to enlist the coope~tion of the local coi the pa~sage of suitatle zoning ordinat~!ces But when we got ~ ipon~ of our own people, incli~idbig oitfr best IdahO lawy~r~, v ous doubts were cast upoh the praci~i4abihty of this ttnd~r t~ eonsti1~UtiOfl ~ `1~'1i~ fa~ th~it mor& thaulihe èou~1~r.i~ ihLvoIi~d he~ fñrt phcates the problem On the wei~it ~t~f the local testimony, to ~1~x~1:n1~L1e t1~LC zoning approa6li ~4~ôo1~éd at Ith~h~ law v ~ tuily. Wel d~èid~d that the `l~E:k~l~ ¶the~és wer~ `fithtifio 26 SAWT~OPH NATIONAL R1~i ~AflON A1t1~A I 11 ap- s that relop ward ~, and that ty to ~t. the ments oh. In Ii by a court mittee S who shore. re is a could ght or ~ have prop- one of iine a oyeru- lealing ~atever a were ~rated e 2,500 cannot ~ .liv~d hait the proved ~ point pro~er ~nthe airman, iich we ovision. I nties iii ie testi- ~1~T s'êri- j ~ Idaho ér èom- ~we had .ry eare- in this PAGENO="0031" unbe . And it is now. I Want to ask this bill, becaij i~ition ~ commen e' end. Ah ~se1ves. M: 27 Are have substituted with Idaho law ~ective. iembers of this LOll areas while we iere wr~ to be a mv And ~te. I the time to ac ~ we.w~ ~goii~ig~o ~cos~, do sbmethings. ~p1e you~ envision rea. bears on toput~them ace as any, heo~use t we are ~coun~ing LS, and then we )W we are going SAWTOOTI~ NATIO L RECREATION AREA PAGENO="0032" 28 SAWTOOTH NATIONAL R~E~ATION AREA Mr. Now, ~ :Ofl development, including redteatioR development, roads and other tnwspor~ation facilities, an4 administrative factht~ s, i~or the first 54~ear penod, t1iE~ JElgure is $9,3~7,OOO And the to al for deve1opnieti~, $17,~12,OOO Senator iLEBIJE. What w ~ as that totsJj~1igu~re, Mr. Seo~etary? Secreta~ytFREEMAN. $17,512,000. T*en ~ ~rea1~pg down th corn- bined totail in stage 1, the ~rst 5-year ~ez~iod is $12,265,000, nd for the total proposal., the combined figu$ is $27,380,000. Senator BiBLE. Now, how much wii~ it have cost us to m intain it? They usually say it wzll cost x dolla~rs at the end of the fir t year, and x dollars at the end of 5 years, an~E there on. How many Secret&y FREEMAN. I will refer to t~e chief for the answer o that one. ~ Mr. Cui~i~'. We don't ha~re an estimji,te right now on the a minis- tr&ti~ ~o$s, the recurreilt adininist4~ative costs. They wo id be ~ somewhat i*tcreased over ~nrrent adm~istration costs Senator BIBLE What are current ad~nmistrative costs? . Mr. Oi~nrr. I cannot give you tbat~ offhand. I would be lad to supply it for the record. Senator BIBLE. I think these are ver~r important items, bec use we do have some real problems~ The Director of the Budget was setting out-' dont think he has been comi~ig into this hearing, e is in other hearh~g rooms, butbe has some ~robloms about these co ts. We have heard about them today, a~d wejwould hke to know ~u t what we are getting mto when we start outiwith this Mr OLI* We have an orgamzati4u m plaoe there now with a full conipiej~ient of rangers and guai~cl$ Senator B]~BLE. This 1 understand. J~ow i~u~Ji ~ioe~ tJ~at cost today? Mr CLIFF I would have to supplyI tb~at for the rec~~rd, ~i~tor I don't ba~te it now. Senator BIBLE. It may be that earlier hea~ings have de eloped that. I dofl't know. . Senator OHUROL I don't . think it ~ h~s yet teen .supp~i 4, Chairman. ~. :~. ~ ~ And, . Ed~ ~ I think it oi*ght not. to *e a ~Uffioult figure for you to obtam, bedause at present the full a4mi~ustration of the ar t~ is by the Forest Servix~e. j . :~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Mr O~x~r Yes, we oan. get that ratter qwokly We know hat the currentcosts are, but I dor~'t have the~figures with me. Wekn w that the use ~s gomg to mcrease, a~d ~s th~ ~se ~~j~e~sØS, we w~1l have to add to our present complement of peirsonnel. 3iil~ we, can ~ aic~ the ~ estimate. ~ ~ ~ . SenatorBIELL I assume there WQUi4 ~ot ~ en ase over what you are doing iww. EeaU~ wh~at you are ~o~ig ~ this out as ~a recreation area. that yo~i ~re ~çh~~uisterwg, a~ii I in the For~st Servica. * ~ ~ Mr. Cu~i. TI~at is right.. j Senator~ BIBIAE And a~p~omnat~l~ ~be ~sawe nw~b~ of pe pie (The infbrmation requested is as f*w~) PAGENO="0033" ~etary Preen cantly done l1i~OL~11~ E~PIO~; AREA A. W. GR~EILEY, As.9ociate C1iü~f. SAWrOO~fl~ NAflO T up and eliminate to be giving you bil this ~ PAGENO="0034" 30 J~ YR~ATW~ ~ "~vith the 2,500 lots a] uses which you descril up your boundary un )Oth Recreatioi~ Are~i?, issed your question bel e it well. the ~ralie3~ lands a o the area, they are a an important area of y merely being ther ~iem from driving throu ~T I interject. It is the ause the valley is one ulley is the foregrouiid above it to the west. ercial development, th oyed for the entire a me people will climb ir be wilderness in the s~ of the people who cor ~ rivers and in the lakes ~,. these are the peop] creation area. ye would lose the ver3 ~rough this legislation. ho, Senator Jordan? it raises a very jute the valley lands are n~ire project. But the p in that might have a Ii thug in the :surninertirn land, or can he under t es, with proper safegu: id the )ed in ~s and ore. re an ri area scenic ~ and ~h the valley of the of the If the m the ea for to the mmits ie into in the e who thing resting highly ~oblem df sec.. ~, is h~ Eii~ bill ~rds to ~liff to the ~i you value ings, f that ~J ~ccord- I get at is to have all of these prob1em~ misce1laneca~s uses; the 40 miscellaneou this white area-why don't you tightei exclude that completely from the Sawt Secretary FREEMAN. I am sorry, I n Senator BIBLL I probably didn't sta Secretary FREEMAN; Simply because important part of the total approach 4 through which people do travel, it is( enjoyment, ! recreation participation enjoying it,, ~he vista, the views. . Senator BIBLL But nobody can bar t~ State highways to get there? Senator CHURCH. Mr. Chairman, ma: that we are most concerned about, bec most beautiful in the West. And the v~ great Sawtooth escarpment that rises valley is destroyed by unsightly comni important r~creationa1 values are destk most of the jeople who will go there. S4 high mounttlins, of course, and enjoy 4 of the Sawt~xths. But the great majorit~ the valley tosiglitsee, camp, or fish in t14 valleys and * foothil~ of the Sawtooth~ would be principally benefited by the r~ And witbo~t, protecting the valley, ~ we are trying to preserve and protect th Senator BIBLE. The Senator from Id~ ~. Senator JçmDAN. Mr. Chairman, thu question. I ~gree with Senator ~Jhiircl~ important,in the overall concept of this ~ that comes to my~nind is thIs. Say a tion of pasture lai~ds on. which he is gra~ foreverfroz~n in his present use of thaU subdivide it, if and when the time coup himself and. his investment? . Senator BIBLE, I would ask eithei' ~he Secretary or Mr. ( estion? PAGENO="0035" ~S~WTOQT NATI Senato~, JORDAN. 1Jo~ wo~i1 difference of ~ OpifliOliF ~ose Wi subdivicj& I wight make ~ dolL and uRder the stan.da~ls yøu that," and y~oi~. have an~ honest ~ ~ Secretary FRE~EMAN. First oi are unable to neg~t~ate~ an agr litigate it. It w~u1d~be ji~ist ~ike way that it could ~ ~be ~let~rmi: Senator CHuRCH. AnçI that 1 eral district court in ~ Secretary FREEMAN. Ye~, it Mr. CLIFF. Tha~t woi~i1d be f agreement on everythifig exce without his consent~ b~it i~e take it under fri;end~y c4mdemn Secretary FREEMAN. ~Like1y, party, we wouhin't. Because th the standards would hav~ been s that were determined as coiisist~ would be no problem. ~ If he w would not be consistei~it, he woi *~nOt do so. Atthat pointhe wou and I, presume, we could proceed Senator JORDAN. The final 4 in the court? . ~ J ~ Secretary Fn]~iEMAN. i~ ~ don't just have to be in the c4tirt. Senator BIBLE. One o~be~ qu On page 4, Mr. Seoret~ry, yoi the Secretary of Interior1~m~y tr jurisdiction of the Secrei~y of. Now, thatis the 1O,4.OQ~ actres o S~cretary FRJD~MAN. ~hat is Mr. CLIFF. That i~ th~at clark Secretary FREEMAN. ~ You wil border; some or~ theei~st and ti identify it. ~ ~ ~ ~ ., ~ ~ Senator B~BL~. These ~ are ` p: Bureau of Land Maiiaágement, ~ Secretary FRE~1MAN. That is Senator BIBLE. And what cha that carry permitted rights for r I\'fr. CLIFF. They are grazin~ with some scattering of timber a This area in the valley origina when the national forest was c lands which are in white on the they were the better lands. The public domain lands, were those a remnant of the public doniaii Bureau of Land Manag~ment. leases to the ranchers in the v~ll REQREAEL~IO~ u~REA go ~ ab~t~ coxnpensattingwrhere a e owner, ~ who said, "If 1 could der a conapiete subdivi~ion plan, se~, I will realize. much less than en~è of opinion? ~ ~ ~ ~ your ~ question assumes that you it: I ~expect you would have to mnation.~ I don't know any other ion would take place in the Fed-. ild. ~ ~ ly condemnation. If we reached .e price-we ~ couldn't, condemn ~iably could get his consent to to 4etermiiie the price. ~ )pose, he would be the moving ilations would ~ have been issued, he co~iformed with the standards th the use of the area, why there ~ t~ take~additional actions that ye to ~beiinformed that he could ye an~intereat that was violated, igate and~determineits value. ination; ~thên, would have to be of any other way. It would just un~der the provisions of this bill, ~ the public domain lands to the ilture. ~ ~ lie domain lands ; is that correct? t. i? (Referring to inap~) ~ e the dark green there on the me Un the west. The Chief can ly báig ~ aclministered by the that be ~corréct? t. ~ ~` - of lands. th'e they, grazing lands g cattle, or what? * is, primarily sagebrush cover, 1 as other types of cover. :Ls left out of the national forest to permit homesteading. The were largely homesteaded, and that are in the dark green, the rere not homesteaded. They are S that are administered by the of them are under section 15 grazing purposes. ~31 r d e 0 ti 1 r t iii t ti t t I~e ~t4 ff~ l1,~ s~ 0I~l s1~ I e~ ~ i~1~ ~ ~1i i0~ st~ `iç~ r~ ee 10 1~ en re ct~ ni ar id at fc~ S S 0 g C e 0 0 t: ~ PAGENO="0036" ~32 SAWTOO~PHNA~I'IONAL E~~A?rXON~LR~A that y one f the n th~ `orest ervice ars to ssible same y can Lap to e seek ful itk * plan, these *e told being ithern Senator BIBLE. I appreciate the exp1~ ration. It occurred to m since this is a eompact area it n~ight b ~tter be administered I agency, iñEW~d of having two. I wou1d~ mier with the a~uthors : bill on that,~ they know tihe area, and t tey know what is best area. And in a comparable bill that we h d that ran into a lot of Service problems on thegreat basin, we worked it mit so that ~ would transfer land to the BLM, just in ~ he reverse of what app be the prime ownership here. I simpl~ suggested this as a p means of eliminating a second agency administering roughly th thing. ~ But I would defer to the sponsors of the: bill on that, and th examine it if they want to. ~ :i have no further questions of the Se$r~tary or Mr. Cliff. ~Senator Church? ~ * * * Senator OhURC~. Mr. Chairman, I wo*der if I might go to the indicate why the valley is so important ~o the ob~eetives that ~ to secure by the bill. * These lakes [referring to map] are among the most beaut Idaho. The Forest Service has proceeded on a public recreations and has concentrated a number of public~camping groiiiids aroiin lakes. It is amazing how much these are used. M~y boy is up here, incidentally, this veek. He is camping. I ~me Sunday that there wasn't a single si t available, every slot i used by ~atnpers-sothe of~ whom c ae from as far as se * California alid equallygreat distances. And this valley land has suddenly be )me hot property, so to Developers hre coming in on the floor of the valley. They are be to build roads and unsightly wires ar going up. And they a beginning to sell off property lots of 15 by 125 feet. People fr Angeles think that size property is th~ great outdoors. if thi not passed, with the present trend, we will have a congested clutter right on the floor of ~ this va1ley~ which, as I have said foregrouhd~ ~ to the Sawtooths, and th~' whole scenic effect destroyed. ~ * So the v411ey is r~liy the most im~órtamt part of the imi program', because it is the spoilage of t~ie valley that has crea ` need to go lorward with this type of i~ereational plan.. I think, Mr. Secretary, that if you~ do have the general worked out `for the guidelines which will `govern' your zoning ap that it ought to be placed in the record at this time. Do you ha' guidelines prepared that relate to the pattern for future devel you eiiivision under this bill? Secretary FREEMAN. Yes; we have. ~I am glad you used t "guidelines," because we are ~ still working on this. And we would be pi~emature for:us to fix on $1 details until this coi has finished its hearings, and until tI~:'Congress `has acted *n&tion:~with `it. But. wanting to be. j~repared~and recognizi there~th~uld be guidelinesand hidicati~ns~ wE~ have.given this hut of attention. I And in. four different areas we havetgone into some little this point. , And, again, I emphasize, this is o~iy preliminary. One follows : speak. inning `e also m `Los bill is urban is the Till be Lediate ed the on~ept roach, a sothe pment e t'~rm feel it mittee n con- g that a good stail at ads as r PAGENO="0037" SAWTOOT NATIO All private lands may be ~use~ for production and harvestin~g t~der ace in accord with the foJIo~ring stai~dard We the~i set out a No.2- ~ Use of lands for which, by ~pphcant of suitability forprovidiag c~nñjer~ia local residents and in regard~to which in a particular location may be used the following standards. again setting out some n~ore det 3- Minerals may be extract~ from th the United States in accordat~e~ ~vith again, setting out standa~d~ ~4- ~ ~ ~ Development of lançls wi~1 pei~man ii±Vestment, and requh1ng~ d~ ptibl be consistent with the ~dr~ 1 I&ñ th~ purpose for which it i~ e tab~i~he~ following standards. ~ And, again, they ~es Arid in ~hi~ MsIm~ii ~ more details. And we submit ~ha~ fo Senator OHUIU~H. lithi in the record at thi~ poi~ Senator B~LE; ~ record. . (The document ref erre I I ~tØ foIl PRELIM~NARY INFOEMAPIO~ ON~ S~A: PROPERTY WITHIN ThE PEoPo~En FuwtrnsR r~:pu~?osEs o~Strna 1~ i ~ ~ ~ ti ~SeQtto~ ~(b) ~f S.~ ~i~7 w~,$d ~tir~e publish regulations setting standards w~thin the bpup4twi~ ~f' ~e~!~c$~tjQ in furthe~i~e~ of the pi~rpps~s Qt~tb~e would ~iaye ~ obje~t~Qf ~~s~uri~g< t ow~md property~is. eonsiste~t wfr~t~h~ geueral plan of ~tiw~ S~wl~otj~ ~ they would set out uiay dif~ ai~ong the area and m~y b~i~m tiu~e ~q tin~ Such regulations would not b~Et promul ducted and the results revie~ved in Administrative Procedure Act. The Departn~ent of Agrici~iture h~ would set fp~ the use ofpri~te1y ow It believes that such action would be and until the public 1~ea~h~g~ wbjch h~ve been held ~nd the :e~vjts ~~1ua fully and objectively c9nsider}the~view in~terested persQns, and org~n~z~tio~ as and views that may J~e e~presseç1 by~ consideration of S~ 1267. ~ ,, The Department :o~ .Ag~ieuiture has ment of the Sawtooth N RA ~or optii local communities. In do~g this i~t has first sectioi~ of S~ ~267. ~TJ1Lese objeoti~ Liture, Including ranching and timber ~ methods of forestry if such uses are áiMk~d$ ~hat will apply. herWise,thej~ii~ established a showin ces to tigers of therecre~tion area an is ~ sh~wi~ of t~èed for such se~viees irnercial purpdses in accordance with standards ~, patented imder the min~ral `laws of Ilowingstanclards ic~encçs, ,of~ci~ represe~atir~g a material Ities,' !ai~er a~d' sewage facilities, will o~Ifl~Iit' of U~ rec~e~tioi~l a~èa `and if h~ñds to be~so de~teloped meet the )l~tfl~ri~18~ ai~as with some, rflIMLf `t~~~ght to be included it wilibe made' a part of tI'e `o~ ` Us~s `FOE ?EIVA~1i3~LT ` OwN~ ,TI~ ~Rk WHI~II WILL GEI~ERM~LY TI~4 ARE~'A~S~T FonTs TN'S. 1267 ~ ~ to ma1~e~rLd te use of privately owned~;property ` ~ ~tu~h ri~g~1Mior~swot~ld be gener~l1y ~ ~et,iotth~b the bill aitd I, us~ and dev~lOpment of prh~a$3r ~ses ,~ ~the bijl~nd with the, overall `egülations aitd the standards which veral parcels of private laud within cled by the Secretary of Agriculture. until a public hearing had been con~ `moe with certain provisions of the determined the standards which it ~ in the proposed recreation area. opriate until the Congress has acted e~~d~d by the previsions of S. 1267 lie Department wants to be free to ~ Qwne~s of such &ants, and all other ~aiy, b~ presented at a public hearing,~ rs 01 the Ooug~ess in the~ course of onsiclerable planning of the deveiop~ se by the public and beneilt to the ~lered.the objeetiv~s set forth in the ~c substantAally with the endings of, L RECREATION AREA 33, "C I 1 ft nt~j t, d~w~i ~ye,i1ia, Ht1:~e re ~c, ~ 1~ ~1Sj'~' t~ *1, rt a e iQt' pp ~e, .e 1'I ag~ I PAGENO="0038" E, ~ hods of fo~estr~r, if suèhus land except those necessa ies. Necessary structures i ~ ~d~4iIT~rs~ in~ohred ;~i f~ste~sai~d ~iori*i~( irri r t~iç~ ~cçoI~1mQdatio~ of o1~ ~ ~he~h-type ch~ractè wood finish and with dar ~i .p~in. rq~t ~ as i~ pi~acti~ ~c1~gè ø~ !o~st~ laii~. ~~ppj~ iudi~sriciual ~proper Of The date of est~b1jsbni or~o~1ier'ad~rertising ~ 1a1t ~rp~d~ ik'~ hug 20 sq. ft. in area. ~ d~rmps~ garbage dumps, * o ~ ~ H ~ ~ ~ ~uuiei~ atiaAdaaxts notless st cwal ;ç~f, ~sTatIp~al Forest ~osr~t of srasi~t and the pro t~se~ i~Oidêrital to the agric vage of dead or dying tre iittemt~ water courses will and maintain irrigation st: ~nentai3ion of, or entrance ~~he~property~itlbe coi topog~aphic change will b 1~y1Ml~e ~agt~Milthi%l, ranc ~m~d~ki siJsafe r~ndtisabl~ co uiiusable~rill be i~emcn~ed. ~at~ds~wage in such mann idth~trimental effects on ad iThposal shall ~eqixa1 or exc 4~ns of the Idaho State B eoimty in which the pro otherwis~, there is estabi services to users Of the rec W there Is a showing of n u~ed~f~r commer~ial purp lithe ublic f the ction i~ the usive .y 93 ative mary mher 5 are y for elude a the ation uests. with : and 1 uud, ies Qf ent of evices ctions . other ~ngent iwber, ection itural S. ot be Licture other ~inu~d made ing LdltiOfl r as t& oiriing ed the ard of erty is shed a cation ed for ses in offer idents. ~ lodge travel eaters, turing sstoral d with 34; I SAW1X~O~[ ~A~tOa~AIJJ~C*EATTONi ~tAB~A' a~speeial ~ntcrncys~sty~o~fthe ~ 1065 and *i views expresse.d~ by ~ ~ ~ meetings. High lin priority among these objt~c1~~s rat the tá~i~teI1Msce impressive s~eni~c 1~iuty ai~id Gt~i~recrcatiçs4 ~~lu~q çf the ~u~ea; the prot and enhan~eMieMt bf~4thé ~ah~xiOn~ `Or `fi~he~e~ cs~i~tfi~11y ~ ~rot~c~ioW slamon spawning areas ; and the avoidance of fiurther extension of the * and incompati~ deyelopmerrts tl~t h~w~ b~ri. t~J~~ig phice ~lo~ig ~J~Iiw In the $awt?pf~I~ ~T~illçy I~ the course of~ 1~14n sidç~rat~ç~ s~~e te~i standArd~ j~OJ~ tilO U~e of priv~te property have ev~vç4 ~I~ese, strictty p~elir in nati~re r~re ~t I~QTth briefly belqw ~ 1; Al1p~i/a~tc1~aiids may be iThedforr~ribultu production and harvesting under acceptable me in accord with the ~ ~ (a) No strueLures will be placed upon the the carrying ~ of farming and ranching activi but areinh±~4istijted towolJi~sft~r the~1ahd~i agricultural ac~ivity,4bahis;i storerg~IibWIthii~ facilities, roads, and utilities, and structures f (b) Dwellings and other ranch buildings ar log or other rustic exteriors, colored or natural non~refieçtiv~e ~çx~fs. ~ . ~ . (c) ~é~W st~M~rcs will be located as far ti~c4 where póss~ble ~o ~itu~t~d a~ to 1~ç ~ or cm ~he ,~ (d) Ranehe~ ~WiU be at least i~9 acres iu sm~dlër siz~ ItS~&~ ror agriCulture Ot~ ranóhing ~ the Recreation Area. (e) Signs, bfl~boards, outdoor advertising s~ru~ wiji :~i9t1 ~ 1~»=q~tecl IrIL ~ke pi~p~rty, epçc~pjI~ ç~ and one si~ri bdtdentif~r the prOper~r nOt exce4 (f) The properties will be kept free Qf trashf accumulations Of unsightly or offensive ü~¼~ ~ (g) Cu~ii~gjOr ha~es~in~f t~mberwillhé 1y~i~ than those in effect for the cutting and ren4 including cornparab4e arrangerne~ts for the di~j of the soil, exCept where tree removal is for pii~ or ranching operations or for the removal or sr~J (h) Stream beds and banks of live :or iMk4 disturbed, excei~t as may be necessary to operat and then only ii~ ~ manne~tbat willavøidse deletertQ~s r~er~als into /dowi~$tream waters (ft Oeiel~ijgpog~aph~y Qft1i~ 1asea~e~Wit in the present bondition and no e~cavatiOnor except ~ as ni~r~ be in~lth~nt~l ~ forestry use. ~ ~ ~ * ~ ~ ~ . ~ (1) Fer~ce~h4d other strtu~tures~wili be n~aint and buildings t~hathave beconic delc~iidated o (ic) Adequ~te provision foi~ disposal of waste~ fully ~prOtedt ptfblicihealth ands~ifety atid to av property~ *111 be made. All wasteand sewage requirements * of water pollution control regulat Health and any applicable sanitsry code' of th located. ` ~ ` 2. Use `of la~ids for which, by applicatio~n o showing of suit~ibility for providing commercia area and local4residents and In: regard' to whi such services i~ a particular locs~ion may ~ aOcordance wit4rthe following standards: (a) The con*~erci~I services which will b * turnished are these whic necessary services or goods ` t~ visitors, theci gh teavelers, . or local re Examples of sueh enterprises tire a~itornobile s rvice stations, stores, cafe~ or moteF4ype itcoommodations, trailer parks `s~creened frOm view of main rc~utes, winter sperts facilities, and gui~eand ~iacker ~ervices. (b) The contemplated commercial enterprise will not eñcompa~s ti amusementparks, bowling alleys, outdoor "zoo~," ~nd industrial or manufa operations. ~ ~ ` ( (c) Archit~c~ural style of new buiidin~s wi be eompatible~ with the i environment~nOrally ruSirlein flature ~f da k ornatu~hl woidfinish~c non-refiectivi~ oofs. ~1 PAGENO="0039" ,? (d) ~ undergx~in¼~I.. ~ u ~ ~ ~ ~` ~ ~ (e) ~ Exthei~io~neon ö~iflashit~Ii~ghtsw ~i&)~; Signs will be~ 1im~ted th One appr theen.trance: to thebttsiness o~i main h entrance; signs will not excee4 40 sq. ft (~) ) Wastea~1 sew~e jispo~al will zu cOHegi~li~tiai~s of th~Ithth~State Bi ec~de QI the county; ~i~~[dit~*n' ~i1 b have no detrimental affect on adjacent .~ ~ n~ty ;b~ 1~ac,i~xlfrom 1 o~ ~tlié tTnite~ Stat~ ~ a~cór~ance i~it ~`, (~2) ~ Ad~u~b th~si~i~s *!~l 1~ ix~ wastes, or materials ~ea~Iov~cj ~ ~om ~ indi~$ç~tl~ ~izi ~1'~ ~ poni ;~(~ ~r~wisipxi ~wUl he~ i~a~i~ 4p ~ s~ibstances ` da~maging tó~ ~slI. and wih ponds, or l~kes. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ * ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ : ) ~ ~ * ~ ~c) The ~ea of land uti1l~e~1c~r disti minimum necessary to accomplish these of the area and for the type o~ mineraL (d) Cuttingof ti~nber for ,i~ii~izig o~ the mining op~r~ion~ ~l1~be~4~ffle in a~ 1e~ss strIngent' ~ I rorest jai~1s4~ ~ ~ disposal of sh~sh ~d(t~e1 ~yo~41az~e of 4. Develop~ment of lands with pe materiaL;inv~stm~ni~ ~nd requiring faoilities,will be eonsistenw~L~h the ov area: and the purpcses fQrwhtch it. is e theet thefollowing st~darils: . ~ (a) The structures will not be visibk from highw~ys or from lqQ~ ~ ~her r tourist use wi1~hir~ o~ adj~k~éi~t t~ the ~ (b) The IôcstiOn iss~inI1th~ t1I~ ~y1á will not substantially 1~t~rfe~e ~fth develop under plans for optin~um pubi of the area. ~ (~) L~ids are physically suitable (~ Substá~tial e~osiOd or siltatidn of st~e soil that dó~stake4pince c~rill not r~sult of sewage within tii~ `tract bejng devel affect on adj oining properties~ (d) Additionally, waste and sewage d of the water pollution control regula and any applicable sanitary bodes of t (e) Not more than one sir~glê farni not to exceed two other outbuilcIttng~, ~ (f) 1\'1inin~um lot sjzes will ~e ~s fpfl In areas of heavy timber (300 ttees p c~ larger; 400 trees per acre If averag one acre exclusive of roads; In areas of scattered ~ timber, open timber and not otherwise vi~ibl~ . fron of roads; Non-timbered area (so sii~uated th non-intrusive when viewed from seven ~ (g) Architectural styles will be lirn ranching environment; builc~ing extei wood finish and non-reflective. Dwe floor space in size; dwelling~ in hear in height; those in ~catte1!ed timber o (h) Clearing of timber wifl be iimj and fo~ a reasonable cleai~ing to aceo~ In addition to the ábo~e; ~t~ndárd~ use of e~isting~ Mrfield~ and their ox the town of Stanley; to assure public ~OI~ATIO~ )AR~A i'd: within the p~dpertywillbeplac&d ,be~Used.~ "1 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ . . ~ ~i~gn within ~tie mile of each side of ys andone identification sign at the rea. ~ ~ ~ I requ~r~nents ofthe ~ater pollution f ITèál%ha~d ~t1y~ ~ppiic~ble sanitary ~rCh~ chc~e~ ~ind so loCated as t~ rty. ~ S Ld$ ~at~41~41p4e~ t~e ~x~izie~llaws ~Ifo~wing ~t~4di~cis: ~ ~ ~ assi~t~ ~ STiI~ii1 iOns ~ hot;~depósited, diMetly oi~ lskes~ ~ ~ ; ~ ~ ~ ~ ~j .~.. ; S ~ ~ ~ / ~ ~ ~ ~t I~o~ 1p5t1~ipj:: d~jeteriou~ material ~oi~ re depos~ted into springs, streams, in the mihirig .e~átio~ willbe the tions in the common o~ usual an~er~ Lved.~ .~ ~ ~ ~ ~ s~;j~~ r ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~. ~ ~ ~ ~ ns oI~ to o1~tjain materials fQr use in r1~e ~11~h ~z~ftice~rid ~q~edurç~s no noi111of~lmb~ fl~on~ the National )~ ~ :pJ4OVjsjQnS for the ;e to tJ~esoi1, ~ ~ ~. ~ ~ ~ it residéfic~s, otten ~ z~presenting a public u~tiltties; water and sewage law~ot4devélopi~u&nt ofthe recreation bed onlyiflañds to: beso developed ill be inconspicuous and unobtrusive,~ ~o be dey~Qpeçi~9r recreati9nist and inl Rë~~atlon Area~ përinth~ei~t~dweilit upoh the lands use of tl~e NRA as that use will Dyment ~oxtSLstez~t with the resources deve1oprnc~t ~ithout the hazard of r are so that a~iy erosion of tibn ofstr~ms and (2) fot disposition a~ such manner ~ as tO have no adverse~ I wjll meet o~ exceed the requirements ~f the Idahe~Státe Board of Health nty. S ~iling, with appurtenant garage and e placed U~Qfl any l5ot. if average treei~~ 9 inches ir~ diameter is less than 9 htéhes in diameter)- r, or openings surrounded by denser main travel route-5 acres exclusive uctures would be inconspicuous * and ~l routes)-1O acres exclusive of roads~ 0 those compatible with the western eluding roofs will be dark or natural will be not less than 600 sq. ft. of ibered areas may not exceed 24 feet L areas 1~6 feet iir~ height. ~ ) that necessary:.for roads and access, ate the dwellings az~d ~other buildings be `necessary to pr&vide for continued )n where necessary ; for expansion of Sights-of-way; an4 very likely to meet: 1 LII )2 ~, ~e ~ ~] ;~ ~ :~ ~S ~ L~' Q ~I ~c ~ ~ l~ ~ ~r 1~t 0 cli )I~S ~ O~E 1~ ~i~: Pr avSc ~ ds~ ~bl~ ~r ~i ds ~4'. S5 bl~ enj fo~ Is ilt~ id i ~os~ L's dw all TB: ac~ ~re is y 5. t~i. it Lt rI nb he sti ray d I 5 II ig~ )PO1 cit lay usi ad 0 Ei iii tE cii . . ~ S . . PAGENO="0040" 36 SAWTOOTH ~ATIO~AL Rk~R1~'AT1ON AREA~ tin~ memo- :ed by. bention other conditions and needs as these may develtp in the future. This is particularly true of the agricultural and ranching types of use and the use of lands for com~ mercial services to travelers. and reoroationist~ Flexibility will be required if these are to adapt fo the conbinuing and increasing $ise of the recreation area as a whole by people seeking the spaoiou~ environment4 type of outdoor recreation oppor- tunities it affords. ~ I Secretary~ ]?REEMAN. Based on the~e standazds, administrative re~u1ations Ito caJTy them forward w4itld be prepared at the appor- priate time. Then the procedures set forth unde~the Administrative Procedure Act as specifically called for in this bi~I would be followed in estab-. lishing the regulations which would then be applied. So I emphasize, again, at the risk or! being rGdundant, that these are guidelines for education in the diredtion in which we would move. Senator EIBLE. Any further question~, Senator Church? Senator CHURCH. I ~ have no furthei~ questions at this e, Mr. Chairman. ~ Senator J~IBL~ Senator J~rdan? Senator ~OJO:~XN.~ Just to get back p this subject here, a randuxn from ~srour Department, con erning~ a question asi Mr. William ~J. Carney, Jr., said this-ahd I want you to pay at to it and tell me if this pretty well expresses your opinion now The effect of these regulations will be to set standardz of use. Conf with those standards by the landowners Will ~ispend the authority of ti tary to acquire rights in his property without~his consent except for limi poses. The regulations do not give the Secretary any control Over th private prope~ty. I This is w~Iuit~ the memorandum siay4 x thinl~ you agree tF regulations do not give the Secretary jontrol over the use of] property; that control must be acquii~d, and then only thr scenic easement acquisition. The property owner will be entitled to comj$nsation for it when it is a It is contemplated that such acquisitions will generally be through no~ terms mutually agreed upon. Acquisition of a~scenic easement by conden that is, without the owner's consent, will be authorized only when the OW] not conform to the standards of use. Is that ~ubstantia1ly what ~vas said? SecretaryFREEMAN. Yes; I think it i~. To go baisik to how this will actually ~take place, I think tha it really meant as a practical matter, is} tI~i~it if a landowner ins a standard of use which is violative of t~h~ purposes of the act, or otherwise he would be able to follow, w~y he will be compensa not being able to follow what he could ~ otherwise follow. I exi~ `~rj11 have to be the moving party in that., and it will have to be by the courts. Hopefully, those matters could be amicably set Senator JORDAN. How do we get around a problem like th fellow owns a piece of land within the boundaries of the pro~i e( he serves n,tice on you that he is goi4g to build a saloon or dancehall, or something like that, and ~ou say it is forbidden the standards. * . I How do yougo about working out a 4ornprornise on that? Wi have to buy him off? : ~ Secretary FREEMAN. I suspect you ~v~uld take a look at wh: value is, what was going on otherwise, and see if we could res amicablesolution. rrnance Secre~ ed pur-~~ use ~of a~the )rlvate )ugh a ~quired. ;otiated LnatiQn,. Ler does I what sts on which ed for ect he ettled led. LS?A ,t, and run a ~inder I 11 you ~t the oh an PAGENO="0041" If you couldm't, ~ ~ he prc have to take actic~ 3ga4nst him tion to determine the va1u~. We wou1d~ im effect, cox~ctern would make award acq~r~i~gl3 difference in terms oil w~aa1~ it w and what itwo~uid b~ew~rth for Senator JORD~tN~ I ~4R I1a1S]~ record. It is a good tin~e ~ $ in Secretary ~ it ~S, it Do you wish to a4d ~crni~ethi~ Mr. Ci~ri~. A~ I. itnd4rstànd, from condem~a~one~e~ fr9m bl with the standards. ButLif~he ch~ then he. subjects himsel~ th con he proposes an ob1~&,tië$b1e dE with the s~ndard~ the~ this g: the provi~ions of)thii~ b±~1 ~ tak And un~d~r the cc~iclc~im~átiø: court, and ~hc cour~ w~nild de course, try to negotiat~ ~th h If we couldn't ~io tIi~t, ~lien we a scenic easement. T1i~1~ is c~ne The private owneii is~~prote~l subject to condemnatio~i excep could also b~ niad~ as i~ng a~] for which the act is pas~ed~ If he doesii't cèyhe~w~ tions, he~ subjects hims~1f. pr e~ demnation of the s~eiii~ ea~eme Senator JORDAN. `J~l~re is ~r does he have to perforr~i aii act he have to notify tlaat he ii~te Mr. CLIFL No, I d~ `t thinh wouldn't need to start tearing move. As a matter ef fa t~ ~eei get the kind ofcontrol& tl~a1~ w~ majority of the private lands. place, depending on the eharact is to public view. But e *o~ul scenic eas~ments on a great de~ start out by negotiating the 5( This would take some ti~ne. And But the man wou1dn'~t have I get us to act. We would be ~novi advance as much as po$sible. Senator BIBL~. Let r~ie ask Secretary1 and Mr. Oli~1: 1~Iow the taking area~? ~ Mr. OLI~. We estin~ate tba/ claims within, the~ a~a~ a*d ~boi Senator BI~LE. T~h~zi~ a~re 8~ patented minii~g ciairn~? .&re eration? A~. ~d. or tried to pro~ed, you would ~bat~~3to~i would be in Iitiga~ s 1ic~as~tnent, zutid the cotirt d likei~y th~ value w~uld be the b~a~e been wo~th foi~ a honkytonk sesub~ect to the ~eenic easeme~it. quóstion now just to make the `thai~; Ch~f? ~y this works; a~ man is immune LC $sement asloitig as he complies iiottoteomp~ywith the standards, ation1ors~t,eniO ~ ~as'emeiat, And if iuettt~ ~that ~ not iu accordance ke Sec~et~the authority under ~fl to ~o~iâez~n ascenk~ easement. eeedii~ we would have to g~ to ae the i~atlüe. We would first, of id r~chnn icable settlement. ki have the authority to condemn ~a~feaMpres~'o~f this bilk ~ hisipreeent i~s~ in that ite isn't very ~limi$d pu ~es~ New ns~s riot in~tàfeñng w~bh J~he purposes ~e stand~rd ~et' up by the regula~ s himself to a possibility of con~~ a q~uestion there. At that pulnt, iolation of the standards o~r does ~ot tb~]iiveup to the standards? ~ould need ,to perform an act. He lie conutryin order to get us to ~ii that\~e ~would want, in order' to I tor obtain søerkic easements on a tandau~ds wilFvary from place to the lai~ `and ju~t how exposed it due course, want, I think, to get this private land. And we would easements to assure compliance. sure there will be some problems. rt tearing; up his land in order to i this, working these things Out in couple of more questions, Mr. ~ mining elahn~ are there within are abeutr 88 patented mining unpateuted~ claims. *t~d minh~g claims and 200 un~ 1 these mining propei~ties in op~ SAW'I'OQ~ C 37 ~1 )i Ii u~ ~ li~ ~ei1 ~) Le ~ ~1 ~ rn~ ~s l31~ ~n1 t ly Is 11); of st~ ), U E~1 U I 0 U. U I PAGENO="0042" ~AWf~A~ ~ ~ tory Lates ould fling that ;tOre into pose who the anta ~o in ~rket ~.5O. paid for g his set a this ry in aally mine ights with ) the this sions some And Lis to lues. or they bout ~ms. his him ~g or rfere Mr. OLIF1~)NO1~Ve ui ~i~e!oper~tiofl 4ati ~ ~ ~ ~ , Now, thi~ ~atha8 ka~w'h~s~ory ~/f mii4In~, ~Tather ~o1orfu1 hi of rninin~. L ~h ~ ~ : .~ Senator Ciuøt~Rtirn~Par1icuIu.i~I-y ~d~wn ii~ ~4the Atlthta ~ area. Seriato~ Bmi~L! j,~~r~a: goiii~ to a~k . a~ q~stion on that nóxt. ~ Mr. OLTi~ [Phe town ofAtIantfl~ is an~o1d mining town that back to the~ ~86O~s~ as I remember. No*, the proposed area ~ exclude the townsite~ but would include ~orne of the patented mi claims that are shown here in white. .And p~rt ~ cii our ~ proposal is wre restore and try to influence as thiaoh'a~*re ~can'thepeop1e to re this old mining camp;. ml all of~i1s wester~ft~tadit~o~i. ~ ~ . SenatoriB~Lm~ ~ and go this to see wh~t. ~yI~eof aproj~ect y~u ft4la~nthing~ But m~r pu no~Mr. Clifl~, is 1iofi~d outwhat you ~ ;d~ing~ with a man owns a minin~-c1aim. I own .a mining cla~m, and I am thrilled a way the price of sil'v~er is coming ~back. A~I~11 i4~ is down in the At] district. i: h~We 10 pat~bed mining *cIaim~ 4ihere. I would like to, and mine, because silver isgoing &ip.t~.i$~1.t75 or $1.90 on the m~ today. It `is $~ .80 an oavnce,~ and it . is gdin~'ito go ` to at least $ Can I . go in there and' mine `my mining `clMimson which' I have taxes thes~m~y~ears~canI;gd `in and d~ it? Mr. CLIFIr. , Yes; you. coukL `The sanjte ` `provisions, however certain stah&Uxl~ *wonid.apply. We cans~t sta~ndards--- SenatorBirniE:~Yoti' ~n set; standard~for ~ -mining man minii mining elaim?* How do' y~ou do that? ` ~ . ` Mr. CLIi&. l?or' any private `property,' under this bill we ca standards. . Senator BIBLE. What kind of standards are you going to set fo: man that has paid taxes since Atlanta was at the height of its gic 1860, which is 107 years ago, and he and hi~ heirs have `lived contin in hope that it is going to come back, and'they want to go in and this mining dlaim? ` ` . Now, y~u `say they can do' it? because ii~ey own it. Mr. CLIF~.They `o~4iit. iAnd `they .1~ve all' the property that they h~$e aiw&ys `had~ ` ~ ` , , 4' Senator Bt~r~E. ` I understan1l. `That theyt~sir&goIng to go `in there bulldozers. and modern equipm~t', and `1~hey `ai~e going to dig ir surface and put in glory~ holes. Are you gding to permit that? Mr. CI~IFF. Mining would be permitted under the `provisions o act, the extraction of minerals wonid be p~rmitted tinder the provi of this bill. As" a matter of fact, I would hope that there would be revision of mining to restore some of this color of the Old West. if this could be done in Atlanta I think i9 would be wonderful. We would be authorized ui~ider this a~t to set . some standar protect the slireams from pollution and 4o protect the scenic v~ These standards would probably go to si~c;h things as the dispo' the depositing' of tailings, the mill wastfr, to put them where WTollldfl't be' objectionable. And primarily ~e would be concerned keeping deleterious materials out of these important spawning stre Now, if the miner didn't comply with' these standards, ari property was depreciated by our action," we would have to pay for the value that has been sacrificed. But mining, just as ranchii other activities, WTOUld be permitted as hr~ng as they do not inte in a material way with the major purpos4s of the act. I PAGENO="0043" Senator~BthL~! ~ I~thii~Jné~i I~bhinkit a~tra~t~ `a~1cs'& ~f~q~o~p] ~ I want ~ *4~o ~askyt~d'~ ai~u~ s~ cou1d~ do ot~ ä~ pa~ii~ed~rnining one. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ , ~: ~ ~ 8eotion~ 8 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~6~te~vi~h public agencies, and with $ivate in and operation of facilities a9d servic of this act, including, but nqt li~nited historic setting ~ncl k~rp~d~ th~ ianch type towh of St~nleSiH Now, that is p~1~fu1 ~ and ii;tl ~ ~Jow much will it . çp~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Mr. CLIFF. ~ ~]te tc~wi~ of ~&t1~ is ~n old wes~eru ratç~ tpw~i.T~ ai~s ~of ~his ~I~atic~%l ~c~e~lt~u ~ ~ ~I~he .h~ :~4 i~ie çye~ei ~vs~ would acip~c~t~ tI~ ~ up the flavor of the Old [West in by .private ~ ~ .~1~et technical advjp~ aiict i~r~ j~pJ coQper~ive ~ ~i~h ~ prQvide, these lçir~çls ~ o~ tschnic~] Senat2r Br~L4 I, thjn~ ~lJ, ~ how much of. the ~ do~l~ Mr. CLIFF. The amou~it is vei we have been talking al~ou1~.~ 4r you. ~ ~ `:H Senator BI~L~.Y~y n~iiñpu4: $200,000, $500,000, or~ a ~tni11ion? ~ Mr. CLIFF. I ~oul4 pr~fcr if I thinking ~Li:~9u~ ~1r~at t~t wo~1c how much cooperation ~e c~rn g~ Senator BIBLE. That ~s what the cooperation-yo~i w~1l be mittee, rn which I wear apoth~er I you have appe:ar~-I~ li~ppen 1 Forest Service; comes befçn~ ~epe~ much money you will, be asldu~ Atlanta and the frontier ranch t: that this is wrong or i1~ i~ba~l, bu I want to be sure we l~n~w exact of the room, Mr. CLIFF. Our proposal cc primarily, almost exc1usi~vely, wi tbere trying to get it, encouri assistance. Senator BIBLE. I wish you wo~ limitation on it if yoi~i cai~. I reali want this priv~Lte cQope~'at~pn, forward? Senator CHu1~ou. ~ wan4~ to Cl towns are, no1~ include~i. ~ith-in ti Mr. CLIFF. T1i~t i~ ~o~reøt. ethmg1~s~that1~ t~bctiit thinifig. idLFwdul~1ik~~ ~ tO~\~elbp what yOti 1, or ~n un'pat~n1~d one, either ` ~ ~: ~ ~;. ~ ; ~ ~:. ~ ~` ~ *` ~ ~ I ~ ~ ,~ ~ ~ *~ J ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~u~d ~O~T ale and agencies in the developthçiit ie area in furtltèiraBco ~of ibII~ ~pu~~oses Le ~ ~ the ii~i~gto~y~i ~~4~1anta~u4 t~ç~pntier 3:g}'~ld ~ 5 ti:~ø 91~l~uu~iii~ town, Stan'ey ill 1:~xp~:t1:i; b1~put~iç1~o~ ~ bou~l~ ~ ~i~çt tp1it.~.1 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~, ~ ~ ~ pwne~ç1~ io~)o~1~e ~QW~s, ~d ~4i~i~ ~, wou'd be accomplished largely W~ ~4cl b~e prepare4~ t~o givG b ~ea~cl~ We eoul4 ~nt~er into ~indLya~t pr comn~u;n~ties ~ st~n~e. ~ my~question is,. c1,~ttak~ , uimal, compared ~rjth~t1iiefigures ~oul4 ~e g~4 to supply that to at-~huii4i~eU, thousand dóll~rs,. ~, Senatoi~ t9 go through. a little ~1t depends a ~great 4~a.l ~ on just m the citizens. ~ ` es me. Because if you don't get ~g to ~ t1i~ Appropriations ~ Com- adti~jj be hearing you, because on~ the suboomnuttee that the. ~r-and I am just wondering how restore tl~e old mining, town of of Stanley. I am not saying day of tight budget restrictions iat it looks like at the other end Lplates that this will be done ~ivate capital.. And we would be t, and furnish some technical ace some type of overall Federal ~t these are your hopes. But you f you don't get it, will you go ;ize at, tlds point that these two reatjcmal area. fl 3~ aji c. k~1 Ii t( id~. ri t] ~, i~1 Le t p WI m] )U nix tO C n C 01 ~0 fl th Ii rec PAGENO="0044" 40, SAWWOQ1~ N~TZONAL R~EC REAPWN cqui- In e, it ivate ~d to local ~ient here ecre- Co.- ation that tion, And ation that risive bad. ation have Senator OEURCII. So they don't fall within the authority for sition of easement that is ordinarily applicable within the are other words, if these towns are going to be developed as we ho will have to be. done by the cooperatio . and efforts of the p: owners. And the Forest Service is going o be necessarily confin giving technical assistance, advice, and encouragement to the townspeople. ~o proceed on that kind o a community develoi plan. ~ Isn't that correct? Mr. CLIFF. That is correct. Senator BInLE. That may be true. But there is a section 8 ii which is not in a separate act, it is in the Sawtooth National I ational Area bill, giving specific authoi~ity to the Secretary t operate. And every time you give that authority, that coope: has always been fouled up by budget re~uests for money. Senator O1~n1flCH. My only point, M4~ Chairman, is that al the bifi auth~rh~es is cooperat~On. It do~&t ~authorize condemn th~ right to ek~qufre with public money, ~`aiiything of that kind the ~ themselves do lie outside rat14E~E than in~1de the recr area. Senator B~BLE. I just want to know w!here section 8 is leading is all. And if it does nothing more except to have a little inexp cooperation from the Forest Service, I think that wouldn't b But if we find out that this is launching ik~ into a complete resto similar to WiIliamsbur~, whhth is a wo~iderful thing, I would some doubts1 .1 just want to know wh~e I am heading. Senator J~d~n?~ * ~ [ Set~ator Jk$ThAN. * O~4e oth~ question?.JBecause the national r tion area is a relatively new concept, I~ would ask you, from experieflee in the promulgation of stand4rds in other national r tion areas, what procedures have you followed in setting up standards and promulgating them? Do ~roii give due notice, d hold hearings, ot do you just dictate a ~tandard off the top of head and it ~beco~nes the rule, and ~o fortl~? ~ What do ~ou `do? ~ , Secretary `F~J~MAN. In ` this ease, Sen~tor Jordan-and I will to the Ohi~ for m~e debits on the ~~ffics~ some of the c ones-the st~ndnrds tha~t ~i~e' set down 1~if' administrative regul will be do~44~ in ~accordanee with the Ak~tiinis~rati~iè Procedur This would ihvolv'e a ho~1ding of hearing~ before they could ha force of law. * * Mr. CLIFF'. This act is different from a~y of the acts which the other tI~eè recreation areas. In the case of the Whiskey Shasta-Trinity, there is private laud inside of the part of irnit t administered by the Forest Service. And the `law passed by the :congre~s etting up that area pro that. the use ~of private land will `be govi ~ned by local zoning au ties. And the standards for the zonii ~ have to comply wit standards set by~lte Se~retaty. ` . So long'. ~ p~o~ple cbrnp13~ with local ining ~ihjch iu~ in accol with these ~tandá?ds, they~ are immuni from cbtldetrmation of ~1and, just the same as in this case. But that is' `a lit'tle di~fferent a~proach. Provided they ate oi zoning, then the zohhug wa~e~kiped iii :&oh.Foi~ydty with the D ment of Agriculture's regulations. It is siniiia~ butt different. crea- your Crea- th~se :, you 3~'our refer rrent tions Aèt. ethe ~t up own- Lat is vided bhori-' L the tance their local part- PAGENO="0045" I AI~ SAWT~OT1~I ~ATI R~CE~ATtO~ AI~EA ii 41 Le ~ituk~jj~ ~ixi~ either of the two Lmi~i~t~r' in the East~ We don't stai~dards ~ either case. re ~ d~ri~jeht' on local zoning 1ep~nd m~Io~1 zoning. The sitna~ nt. We have authority to acquire y wh~h~r we have a restriction ~ net. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ , ~ on~inthe~Monbng~heIa National e ~ Ieai~re a co~isiderab1e part of *~p. ~Te want ~to~ ~keep it in `farriis, ii. ~ setting in~ these mountain va1~- it that way by ~cqüiring scenic the difference in the land values. Mount Rogers area, where there Jd* ac t~ 0I ee f~D I~1 Now, we ~ dont~t hãe~ a national recreaticn ~are~s that ~ have the provision~ for ~ e~tab~1i Senator JORDAN. Because y ordinances. ~ ~ ~ : ~ ~ Mr. CLIn~.~ In~ the E~st, We w tion as to private ownei~ship is . easements. ~ And I don~. rec~1l against condemnati~ ~f e~sen~ But in both instanees~in ~he~ Forest in West Virgini~-~e p the private land in pri~ate ow pastures, and to mthnt~in a p leys, but we would at$mpt to ~ea~ements and payi~g t~xe~ ~eop The same situatio~i a~plie~ i: is some private land. ~ Senator JORDAN. In ~his bill~ is an area where we dor~'t liave Mr. CLIFF. That is ~ori~ct. would be really pioneeri~'ig, and by the two SeMtor~ from ~d~h ~ Senator JcRDAN. We~ like tb thing in the Lewis Par~ Nati concept. Ai~4 I bel~e it i~ wo complaint whateirer about the that concept. And I ~ ho~efu that will be a new de$rture a the benefit of all concex~ned. Senator BIBLE. Any furl~her Thank you very, verfr n~uch here this morning. ~ . ~ And yo~i, tob, Mr. O~iff. Senator CHthtdH. `~ M~. Chair gentlemen have~ gi~i us has ~ ~ Senator BIBLE. It c~~taitily We are going to take in the look at some pictures n~w, whi And then we are going to proc have Mr. Pomeroy and M~ E ~his morning. (Sho\ving slides~) ~ ~ L Senator BIBLE.. Gent~en~en~ The picturestell of. t1~ie ~reat The next witness is I~ieGran Mr. Nelson, we a~re~very h morning, sir~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ . ~ STATEMENT. Oil. t i~t .1 d~ :, we are plowing new ground, it xact experiei~ce to refer to? ~öii1d .~: a new departure; it ~n ithi~vation ~hk,h is t~ilorriiade .t Jdkh~ conditions. ~.. 1l~nt~ of that~ We did a similar iistoric~d Park. That was a new out adrnirt~bly. . I have heard no inistration and the operation of we can work out something here ill be fe~tsible ~nd will operate to ions~? Secretary, for your presenthtion I e a h tn~ [~ I think ~th.~:testim~ny that these ex~j1ent. ~ ~ ~ :~ ~ . .`. e of~ a modified station break ~ and m told will take about 5 minutes. V~e ha~ve five Idtho witnesses, we fts, and I think we can complete . ., . (. e N r~i 11 s1iLt~Le~\*ith: the hea~ring. ~ ty of this area. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ lsOn of Twin Falls, Idaho. to hav~e ~you here with us this Mr. NELSON. Se*a~qr Bible submitting this stat~rn~t conc in the ~areaiucorporate in ~he p IELSON, ~TWXN FALLS, tDAHO distinguished. gentlemen, I . am g S. 1267 as ~ a. deeded landc*ner ed ~wtoo~b ~Nationa1 Recreation PAGENO="0046" 42 ~A~WTOO~I~ NAPTON~JJ RE REATION ~R1~A Area and as~ rosicien~ of the State of I4ho.~It is also made asa epre- sentative Qf~ ~tjier substantiai liuidowne~in the area. It is most important to recognize two factors in the .evaluatio of S. 1267 or any similar legislatiOn. First, that there is a growing emphasis and even need for recre tional facilities and~ the preservation of natur$1 beauty for this and uture generations. : I Secondly, ~tbat the residents of the sparsely populated and cenic Western Sta1~es will be proportionat~iy i~ore afl~ ~e cted by this pr blem, and further~that. in ~terms of numerict4 representation in Co gress, they . wifi belin the poorest jjosition to tdefend themselves an their property rigl4ts in ~the event of a Federal ~cquisition. In the light If these two factors, it be~omes increasingly imp rtant that special care be exercised in drafting this comparativel new legislation which may well serve as a pattern for future legisi tion. The respor~se of the honorable Senators from Idaho to the opnions and needs of the deeded landowners iih the Stanley area ha been most gratifying. ~ ~ Senate bifi 1267 re~resents a direct and equi- table react~op to the testimony at th4 ~ Sun Valley hearing n * the original Senate bills 3294 anj 3295 It re4ognizes a very basic pri ciple necessary tQI this type of legislation , *amely, that the prot ction, operation, a~d, adiiiinistration of the ~ a~e~ will be the ~ respons bility of the Fore~t Service; here their discreti4r~ should endS Whateve they might be., they are not a judicial or legisl~tiive body and the righ s and dignity of deeded property owne~ shduld . not be .~ subject to their judicious' whims. Theirs should be the responsibility.to answer o the landowners beyond the rights which have been taken from the owners and given to the Forest Service under this law. By so testifying, I do not mean to disqr~dit the. many comme dable accomplishn*nts ~øf the FOirest Service~ J do mean to be re listic. I &~:iot ~beli~ve.tMt theJ~orest ~Scrvic~iis. being forced into th pro- tection of t4 area. I do believe that th~ir authority ~nd contr 1 will be a growing and demandin~ thing. T1~is niE~y evéi~ be by ne essity but whatever the~ reas¼rn or however i4è~itorious their reason , the fact is that a~s they take so gives the de~&ed landowner. It is f r this reason that I urge you to draw a distinci~ ~e between the admi istra- tion of the l~nd and the ~ prot~ction. of tl~e landowners in the w rding of this Iegislation. .. I ~ In theory~ the.iiight th e~cbange and tl$~right to hearings offe some protection, but these are more . tbeoreti4al than practical. .Exe anges under the proposed law, if desired by th~ landowner, would be s rictly at the diserehon and generosity of the ~Forest Service. ITearin s are the slow~ teftous, and costly tools of the~ unhurried The rêa~I pi~otection of theiandownerli~s in the s~ctions dealin ; with scenic easements and compulsory Go~vfrnment acquisitions t the owners' demaud~ There is considerable 1~estock busmess in th area but the most economic use of this land~ will ultimately be rela ed to its scenic beauty and recreational poten~tial. The current land alues are substantially higher than the current : capitalized agriè itural earnings of that land. The right 40 capitalize on this beautylis as valuable to the S anley landowner as the oil rights ou a Texas i~anch. If these values a e not real, then th~ Feth~ra1 Government has J~ business moving mt this area as a protector and adthinistrator.j The scenic values an the I PAGENO="0047" deeded right to cc the heart of this 1~ without the other. As a concession Con, pro ~owner the fiel )nfor ~vailaUe to eit section 5 shou] as an escape ~ important to have i vague and lation this Jaesolej fro~ a woi~ our tights u~ t!~f the land value and ust not be considered ommittee and the are necessai to ~graph (d) in rier and serve bs. It is more than tohave no legislation by of this law should its. ~ck loney, say, to riiade $100,000 vernment. And then it proviL~ the option. What we were tryIng. to do certain that an owner wi~h a himself to be subject ~o. dertai zoning regulations, ~oM not su~ of the property by virtue of tho~ for it. In other words, *e want the option if he choose~ to do without suffering a din~inUtion And I think it was as a dire provision was included ~n the b as you will recall, is to make h property, let's say, who binds ~ulations with respect to its use, substantial decrease jn the value ulations, and goes uricompensated make certain that he would have get the full value of his property hat value without compensation. ;ult of your testimony that this SAWTOO~; NATI~A~ RECREATION AREA 43 In other i~ business nittee hit ---f. that cc we inser at the re~ tc~ 0 ii] PAGENO="0048" )ffE, ~TWIN~FALLS, )~aairman. II ~iator$ ~çhurch ~nd Jo~ jx~ Twm:EaU~, Idaho. I~ ~i My fatI~e~ p~chase ~t~dw~rki~gon the i been the ~owner of the r I have rnad~ a numb so fortb,~ )reyouon~my own ociMion,~au associatioT ~h Valley, and the norti ~ oo~rnmerce o~, soutb-c~ i~ under the present ma ~ient of the Sawtooth \ ning tewns which S. 1~ j~lie liisLi. green meado~ attaiD their present be ~seediñg in better gras~ its wisdom decides to C I hope that the law ~ ents and property OWTh to view the scenic wo tion. )tect AHO dan,, own the anch Lnch.. ~r of ~$o 1 ehaif of a i side ntral~ aage-~ alley 67 is IS Ofl ~uty. es in reate ill be ~rs of riders ~s On ional held )St of grèts ional encO, riator oints~ 44 J1J~Q~fl1 NATh~NA~L RER~APU~N)'A1~EA / Senator BTh~4L~ fl'he;seetiont would seei~i tsdo ~ that.' ~ .. Senator OiTnThDH~ Ye~;thatwas~ the i4h ~1~pw~pose~if the sei And we tried to draft it as clearly as 1ang~age could make it to pr the right to i~eprop~r ty~ ui ; ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ .~ ~ : . . Senato~Bi~*ieE. S~iifttOT7 J~dan, `~u~ti~na?~i ~ ~ ~ ~ : ~ ~ Senator ~ No iquest~ns. ~ ~ : ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ; ~ SenatorBrBL~Furt1ierquestiOns? ~ ~ ~ ~ (No respoiii~e.> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Thank~ you~ very much for~your appe~irance here today. Thi~ been very heLpful and inf~rthativé~ This i$ the type~of record we to niake. Yo~ have ~heardwhat Senaror ~hurch has said. And I this is what' this part~eular se~tion does. * ~ ` * ` Our next witness~will beMi~; John `IL 3reckenridg~, ~ of'Twin] Idah&. ` j ~ ~ ` ` ` ` " ~ Mr. BreckOntidge; ` ~ ~ ~ ~ ` ~ ` ` has ~vant hope ~al1s, STATEMENT OF JOHN H. BRECKENRi Mr. BREOIçE~RIDGE. Thank you, Mr. May I proceed, sir? Senator BIBLE: Yes; you may, sir. , Mr. BRECKENR~DGE. Mr. Chairmtin, S~ my name is John H. Breekenridge. I li~&. a livestock .r~~eh in ~the Sawtooth ValIe first part of tló~.rai~ch4Q years ago, and I, 35 years ~go. ~ør the last 20' years, I have I have made seine additions to jt, and improvement~ suc~ as new irrigation, r know the area quite welL I am appeariiig and on behalf of the Sawtooth Valley As~ majority of the landowners in the Sawtool communities, a group of the chambers q: Idaho. ~ ~ ` ` I wouldmuch prefer to see the area remi1~ mont system. It has been private deve1Qp~ that has crea,ted ~ t~e rapçhes and the n~ designed to pk'eserve. Wi~out irriga~ti~m which sheep and cattlç graze would not, In many cases they are the product of i~ addition to irrigation. But if Congress in~ a national recreation area in this valley, one which protects the rights of the resid' the area as well as the right of ~the publit present there.' ` You will recall that last year this sul~committee held heariri two bills reli~ir~g ~t4 thié area; One bill' ~iild~have dreated a na park, the oth~r a national r~éreational ` *ea. The hearings were in Sun Vallê~ ttnd a large n~it~ib~of'loc4l' resideAts testified. M them opposed akiychange in the status q~O, but'to the extent Cor decided a ch~nge was necessar~, they ~trongly' favored a na recreation area over a national park. Thi~ bill reflects that prefei and I am deeply appreciative of the eff~rts of its sponsors, Se Church and Senator Jordan, to take ihto consideration the ` i broiight'out at that hearing. I PAGENO="0049" 45 SAWTOOTH NATIC One other point brought out ordinances provided in S. 3295 so severely that they would ai. without just compensation. S. 1 result, and, I think, evidence protect the property rights of I certainly support such an a~ history will further reflect this I have asked my attorneys tc number of suggestions which s extent that my remaining con am reflecting their advice as w One important question to I clear in the bill, is whether a allowed. Certainly everyone is division could destroy the sce subdivisions have probably C( legislation is passed, these seen: proper subdivision is not a bac homes available for rental to t another, it may encourage cent them scattered all over the are back from public view, such ce Senator CHuRCH. May I jus that I think the st~ndards the record this morning will make is not precluded as lozig as it protection. Mr. BREOKENRIDGE. Senato Senator Bu~LE. And I might that the committee woul4 mal the proposed guidelines, as the with a copy of them to se~ if t Because I h~ve learned time aui ings in this difficult national I often the pcopi~ with whiom v trying to hammer out a bill anc same wa~re1ei3gth, a~4 we dQr And I thuuik we sb~uld mal~e; understands what we are tryin~ that a copy of tb~se proposed ~ comment by yourself and your Senator JORDA~r. And the re Senator Bisx~. The record i a period-we have plenty of week's vacation during Labor I this bill, which has had many ~ I think it has evolved into a ~ to work out. Senator CHURCH. May I sug Senator BIBLE. I would thur would hold the record open u would be sufficient. ~t1 RECREATION AREA rear was ~e fear that the zoning I be used to restrict development ~ to a taidj~g of private property ~presents an effort to avoid such a intent of the authors to fully private landowners of the area. ~h, ~ and hope that the legislative ~w S. 1267., and they have made a nsistent with this intent. To the S bee~me somewhat technical, I my own f~elin~gs. oli'ed, which I do not believe is rtlier subdivision at all is to be ~reement that uncontrolled sub. dues of this area. Some existing uted to fears that unless some ues will be permanently lost. But ig. For one thing, it may provide urists who come to the area. For tion of homes, rather than having they arø properly located, and set ization may be an advantage. ~rrupt there f~r a moment to say Sacr~tary has submitted for the that fi~ture. construction of homes a pi~ttern that provides suitable ,t is my understanding. ject there to say that I would hope I'hermo-Fax, or whatever it is, of etary calls them, and furnish you lo say what you are tryin~g to do. ie again, as.a result of m~ny hear- tion area and park area, that so e t~Jkiug and with whom we are k the bugs out of it, are not on the mpletely understand each other. indantly clear so that everybody o in this bill. And I would suggest lines be furnished to you for 1~ter Per. will be hejd open. I be held open, I would think, for bec~se we are going to have a und 1 am hopeful that we can move of intensive microscoping, so that me bill now. We have a few bugs weeks? ~t that wo~Jd be about right. We say, September 5, which I think N [a 6 ~ul LU~ 7 j~ t~1:~c oa e~ .1 f t ~1 tn vs hi Li~ ra~ ~ni `1 it~ 4 XII SI th~ tè~i tj~: re~ 0 Id,. ne~ y, 3t ~j st ,il~ PAGENO="0050" 46 SAWTOOTH NAPIONAL REc~REATION AREA Senator C~tURCE~ For the submission f any further commen s you wish to rnak4. ~ * ~ . p Senator EthLE. It will be held open i~ntil September 5, whic is a Tuesday. . : Senator CHURCH. And in accordance with your sugg stion, Mr. Chairman, may we have these proposed guidelines duplicated and furnished to each of the Idaho witnesses who come and testify oday so that they will have the benefit of it. Senator BIBLE. Without objection thi*t may be done. ~ y iflay 4~ontinue, sir. Mr. BRECi~ENRIDGE. Thank you, sir. lAnd I would apprecia e the proposed reg~i1ations being sent. I Senator BTBLE. Th~ will be furnishe4 you before you leave oday. I think we have a Thermo-Fax or Xerox machine. MiS. BREC~ENRIDGE. I am concerned fhat such subdivision ay be prohibited altogether by the Secretary ~f Agriculture. This a pears to be the effect of regulations issued by the Secretary of the I tenor for tIie Cape Cod National Seashore, which govern local zoinu ordi- nances. rfl~e5e regulations provide that "undeveloped areas ill be preserved ii~i~ a natural condition (36 CFR, sec. 27.3(b)), au only allow cwlstrUcti()n of residences on existi~ig lots." ~ I reali~e~ that * histor~ically the Natio$l Park * Service, und r the Secretary of ~the Inteni~ir, has. been mucil less tolerant of privat land use than the ~`ore~t Service, u~rid~r the S4creti~ry of Agriculture. How- ever, I feai~ that increasing pres'stires fOr beautification may c ange the Secretary of Agriculture's, attitude. The only indication ~ have so far of how the Secretary of Agri- culture may handle such problems are proposed regulations f r the Whiskeytowti-Shasta-Trinity National Recreation Area, which were published iii the Federal Register on Ma~r 6, 1967 (32 F.R., 979). In effect, .~f~oi' the Whiskeytown unit, t~iey prohibit construction of resideric~s Oni property ~ containing less ~ than 3 * acres, unless a lesser acieage was i~i separate ownership and n4 a recorded ~ubdivision 1)1101 tO the ~i~M~ti~p ~ the recreation area. ` The. effect ~ will be to p event future sübthvWoris within that unit. The~rth~er units frThy be dev loped at a density not exceeding two residentiaft units per acie, which ould seem to permit subdivision.* ~ . . ~ ~ . Which approach. might b~ taken in thl Sawh~th Vall~r I ca only guess. rfher~fore, if Congress feels tIi~,t sbthe properly coiitroll,e sub- division is proper, ~ I would hrge that this bill make that quite clear. Foi example, section 3 of the bill lists ~ee purp~sés for ~`hic the Secretai~y shall administer the area. ~ Th~ third ~iirpbse inched s the multiple-use concept on federally owne4 lands, to the extent i will not conflict ~fith the first twO purposes. ISi~e the Secretary wi 1 also be exerci~ing control over privately own~d lands through the iss atice 3fregulations, it might be wt~ll. to include~Orne reference to.these ands, to indicate the congressional intent thatP full : dè~l~o~piiien~ of p h-ate lands will á1~o be permitted to the extent it will not s~bsta tially impair the first two purposes. Section 5 of the bill ap~ars . to be intended to meet many * f the objections to the previous bill concerning zoning which dice ively takes the value of pro~rty without compehsation. My atto1~ne s feel this section is rather curiously drafted, Jhowever, aiTd may not fully achieve these ends. First, it does not urn. t in any way the Secre ary's PAGENO="0051" SAWTOOTR ~ATI( power to coi~idemn the ~ee inte: area. The only specific 1i~nitatio: in subsection (e), which limits t erty for easements for ~tc~ss t percent of all private p~operty Subsection (c) authorfres the but it does not limit th~ Secret would guess that this was th property acquired to s~enic e actually required foi~ ea~ments also assume that the re~u1ation issue governing the use of priva (b) , are intended to cover only easement is not .appropi~iate. In of the bill contemplate t~iat thee a use of the land, such á~ a ~esid may deprive land of a ~ubstan zoning ordinances whic1~ flatly~ constitute a "takiii~"~, fdr whi hope that if such a prohibitio sponsors expect ~ the Se~retary does not make tI~iis ~ ~ëar ~ h~ Senator CHtJRCH. At that p mony this morning cla~ifies th considerable length. Mr. BRECKENRIt~GE. I thir~ Senator, certainly di4 .~larjfy a at this point. The only reason* of imposing on yotir time ~ is verification, if not thr~ug~i th history which ~ has beth done Senator CHURCH~ Y~ 1 th made clear in ~ the record, Mi~ so that there is no amI~iguit~r ~ Mr. BRECKENRIbW~. ~ Later i' not read, a proposed rëvisioh you would want to consider if ~ Subsection (b) refers to revi and 8 of the Admhiistr~iti~e P thorough revision. of that ~ct i: have been * held, `. I ~ wo~iider if present act is ne~e~ary, or if I Another questiofl ire~ati~g t be subject to cdurt ~ M "ripeness for judicial r~vie~" sible to secure ~oiirt rc~vie~ of violated, whicti could ~ret~te S As an exampie~ regiih~tio~ts i subdi~ision of a large ~trea. Cle reduOe the i~lue ~f lan4 w divided: Such a flat p~ohibiti for which theConstitution req and respectable body ~f ~as landowner may ` uibt d]~lidnge N LL RECREATION AREA I any land within the recreation he Secretary's power is contained cr~tary's right to condemn prop- lic property to not more than 5 ~ area. tary to acquire scenic easements, authority to stich acquisitions. I pose Of sectiOn 5-to limit the ~ts and t~a~ property which is cèess to pñbhc property. I would ch the Secretary is authorized to wned pro~érty, under subsection ioi:i~ where acquisition of a scenic words, I doubt that `the sponsors ia'tiöi~would absolutely prohibit 1' d~veiOpxit~ent. ~iucha prohibition th~tidn' bf It~ ~aiue, ~ and eert~tinly ~i1~ the highest and best use of land e o*Ip~r thti~t be compensated. I esited foi~ ari~'a~rea, that~thé !bill's quirea s~e~jc èasemèrlt. The; bill `ay~i~t!~ied that ` the ~testi- nt:? Bec~tuse ~Ve dwelt on that at ,t the téstimoily * this morning, f th~ pointswh~i~h I' am cOvering ~ reiteratingsnd running the risk rther emphasi~e th~ ~ nec~sity `of ,) th~i de~taith~ iti'%he ~ legisl~ive niorr~ng. ~ ,00, that this point ought to be *rñaah, that accompanies the bill, ~ score. ~ ~` ` ~ testimony ~I will submit, and will tion~ 5, ~hidi I ` would hope that hink it is necessary. reghiations pur~uant . to sections 7 irê~Act. `in 4ñeW of the fact that a os~d in S~ ~F5S~ on which hearings cific reference to sections of `the `. c~ëate cor~fusion in' `the ~fü'tIire~ ~` L regulations is when they' should r,neys' tell iii~that~ the' `prdblem of iffi~iit one; and it is often impos- 1~i~ns~u~tiI afteF they have been ~p'rb'blems,df ~dthinistration here. b~ promulgated prohibiting' any lich' ~regu1atidn will sübstan~i'al'iy ñi~ht otherwise ~ haste' `b~n' sub- dttnts to ~ a ` "t~dçitig" of ` p~ö~ert~y, compensatioh~ Yet there is aI~r~e which ` suggests that ` an ` affected raiidity' b:f such a'reguiation iItiVil 4~ ` `;~ c ~` : ~ ~ ` 47 I e EL f C t t I Pu ly, IL~ :i~ Iii, S *it~ pb is I~~ of C', rd sp t1~ L& 1 0 0 t;. tL ( 7' r .1 I ii PAGENO="0052" later SAWTOOTH NA'~ONA~ E'~bREA~TiQN AR~A it is enforced against him ; that is, unl~il he has violated it b sub- dividing the laud. Another unfortuiiat~ situation might arise There, after the enactment of such regulation, a landowner wished to eli his land to a private purchaser. Obviously~ the purchaser would ot be willing to pay a price which valued the jand for subdivision pu poses. The seller, however, could not obtain m~re, nor could lie challex ge the regulation without first violating it. Su4h a situation might fo ce the landowner to bring in bulldozers and ~arve out roads, in or er to force the Secretary to go to court to enkrce the regulation, where its validity could be challenged. Obviously this would be contrary to the spirit of the bill. And parenthetically, may I say that you have touched on th t. Senator JORDAN. Yes. Are you satisfied with the colloquy t at we had with the Secretary and Chief Forester in this regard? Mr. BREOKENRIDGE. This appeared 4 clear up this question quite a bit, Senator. I personally wQuld feel J.etter if some languag were contained in the bill which wQuld spell o*t this a little bit more ~ learly in general tei~ms. I Senator JORDAN. Will the language khat you recommend cover this to your satisfaction? Mr. BRECKENRIDGE. Yes. Another aspect of the same problem relates to the acquisit on of scenic easements. The bill places no duty on the Secretary to a quire such easements, but simply authorizes their acquisition. Thu , if a landowner who has not sold the Secret$ry a scenic easement ishes to either ~leyelQp this property or sell ~uch an easement, he c ~n do nothing but i~egotiate with the Secret~ry concernb~g a fair price. Condemnprs ~ ~id oondemnee~ often lwfre widely varying ide ~s on what coi~titi~ttes ~ fair price, and it is 4nly the pFospect of go ug to coiut tb~t forces e~c~i side to give a lit~lb, If access to court were eliminated, it~ seems doubtful that a price would ever be negotiate~E. This section provides for no such ccess. There is no way a lan4owner can force the Secretary to acq ire a scenic easement, with the possible exo~ption of beginning to sub-. divide his la~1. Again, this remedy seen ~ contrary to the purp ses of the bill. ai;~l ~ii ait~riiatjve r~p~edy shoi~ 4 be given to the land wner. Subsection (~4) relaj~s to the sanj~ ge~ ~a1 pro1~l~m, and r~iises some of the same 4ifliculties. It appears to ref r to the disposition by land- owners of tbpir fee interests iii such Ian s. The ~ef~rs~iice to "p ivate property" ~n4 "sucji property" could a 0 refer to the disposit on of scei~c e~s~p~ents, but in view of ~he sub equent reference to de rease in valu~ that may have resulted prom t e acquisition of scenic ease- ments, I doubt it. The subsection al1o~s the landowner to be corn- pensated for the value of his land, plus compensation for the de rease in value resulting from regulations, zonjng or easements whici may have restricted its use to sorpethin~ less than its highest and best use. The d~ifficuJty With this provision is tha4 in order to obtain co pen- sation for tI~t .part of his property thattlias already been take , the landowner m~ist seji the remainder of wl~at he owns-the fee in erest in most cases. T1~us, if all of the lando~iers are to receive full corn- pensation for what will be taken from 1~hem, they must sell oi t en- tirely to the Federal Government within 10 years, or lose their right to full compensation. If this is so, witl4n 19 years we may see the end of ranching in the area, and the Federal Government may a quire far more private land than it needs or wants. 48 PAGENO="0053" Senator CHURCH. Let me say is a strange interpretation that ~ tion. The reason we put it in the owner `~yI~o wants out. And if v might have been faced with the a man had no way to get full v~ live within the pattern of zoning pose here, I would think, is to p and make sure that he gets the ft to choose. And I think for the man w negotiate a scenic easement, or values determined, he I as that should make it clear tli~ t these I simply want to emj hasize a result of testimony a the S wanted out, to make ce tam th as it now exists, and t. at is t unencumbered land otlie . than after the zoning regulati ns hay ~ Mr. BRECKENRIDGE. I think taiñly tended to clarify this sec Senator BIBLE. You may pro Mr. BRECKENRIDGE. This sec a landowner can force the Secret that full compensation an be this subject. The Secret ry ma~ tO~ purchase all of these 1 nds wit bring suit fot~ comp~ns tion fo taken. I am not a*ai~ o any re to acquire land which h does n ~ And may I say i~are thetic funding moneys for' ~hi~ bill n~ subsection (d). If the Sedi~etary going to get out if you want t The best solution to this dii that the regulations do no more and do not restrict the highest lations should not have any ser out in order to obtain compens Based on these assumptions, be redrafted along the followi committee's time by reading t you to the printed copy of my (The draft of sectiOn 5 foilow As used in this Act, the term "scen use of land (including the air space a normally present in proper zoning r values for the purposes of this Act, traditional use exercised by the own (d) Where an owner of private prc recreation area as of the date of thi dispose of such property to the Feder said property at a prièe that shall in value thereof that may have resul or zoning as a consequence of the e 49 at connection that I think that awyers have placed on that sec.~ simply to take care of the land- cln't put it in the bill, then we In that is envisioned here where or the land if he didn't want to had been established. The pur- the man that doesn't want out tie, if that is the course he wants ants to stay, and is willing to ~ants to go to court to have the r alternative. And I think we tatives are available. ection (d) was put in really as illey hearing for the man who gets the full value of his land alue computed on the basis of e basis of the value of the land II established. statement to Mr. Nelson cer- Senator. I appreciate it. ~ also raises the question of how D* purchase these fee interests, so ëd. And ybu have touched on have suffiôient funds authorized 0* years, and a landowner ca~nnot 1 whieh the Secretary has not available to force the Secretary nt. ere, Senator Church, thai the ce a little bit different light on `t h~vè the money, how are you out? ~ , ~ of èourse, is to make it clear ny r~sdnable zoning ordinance, est use of the land. Such regu- fleet on property owners to sell Id sugg~t that section 5 might ties. Rather than take up the tire section, I will merely refer ment. SAWTOOTH NATIO ~ L ~ECItEATION AREA El ~ 0 th V e~1~ fu~~ d~ at4 ii 0 e ii k h I I I e 1 U e 9 tiwnt" means the right to control the 0 ~ uch land) beyond the right of control l~ mis, in ord& to protect the esthetiô t ~ hall not preclude any customary or ;~i~j~ r to the acquisition of the easement. rty within tit~ exterior boundaries of the ~e or his heirs ar~d devisees, desires to ~o ernthén~t, the Se~retary shall purchase d~ compensátiön for any decrease in' the f~ rn the promulgation of regulations bli hment of the recreation area. In the PAGENO="0054" 50 SAWTOOTH NA~QNAI4 ~ R~i~EATION . AREA event the Secreitary~ and the, owu~ areunable ~Q agree. upon the purchase~ price? and the ` SecreU4ry declines to complete the pu4cháse, the owner may file ~ com~ plaint settin:g out these fa~ts, together with a~ good ánd~iifficlent deed to the property, in th~ United States District Court f4~t the District of Idaho. Af er the filing of an a*~wer by the United States, the ~ase shall be treated to the exten1~ possible, in the same~ manner as an. action f~ ~ the condemnation of pr perty brought by the United States (e) The lutiitations hereinabove set forth oh the authority to conde a an interest in land~ shall not~apply to property Whfch the Secretary determine to be needed for a~ss to and utilisatipn of pub~h~ prqperty: ~ provided, that if the acquisition 1~Qr such ptp~poses shall not e~ie~d f1'$ra per centum of the total creage of all privatély~owned property in the r~c~éai~i4n area ~s of the date of th s Act. SEC. 5. ~ (a) 1~he authority of the Secretary ~to acquire an interest in rivate property.by~ co~demnatiqnshall ~ of ~enic eas ments aigi easements ~fçr &ccess :~ and~ utilizatiou 4 public property, as here nafter described. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (b) The Secretary shall make and publish fregulatiotis setting standa ds for the use, subdivisibn ~and development of pri*4~tely owned property wit in the boundaries of~the recreation area. Such rcg~ulat~ons shall be generally in f rther- ance of the purposes of this Act and shall ha~e the object of assuring t ~ at the highest and ~ best ~ private use, subdivision and development of such pr vately owned property is consistent with the purpose~ of this Act and with the verall general plan of the S~wtooth National Recreatibn Area. Such regulations s all be as detailed &td~specific asis reasonably require4ioaccomplish such objecti e and purpose. Such regulatians may diøer amongst: 4be several parcels of priva e land in the boundaries a~id may from time to time ~ amended by the Secreta y All regulations adbpt~d under this Act shall be pr4i~iu~gated in conformity w th the provisions of th~ Admhiistrative Procedure Act.lThè TJnited States District Court for the District of Idaho shall have jurisdhitio$~ to review such regulation after their effective ~tc, upon acomplaint filed by~y affected landowner, in an action for a deelaratqry judginent~.. * ~ ~ ~ (c) Whenever the Secmtary determines thai the highest and best priv te use of privately o~fled property withiti the boundaries of the recreation a ~ en, as regulated byth~ regulationb authorized under st~bsection (b),will not be con istent with the purposes of this ~et and with the overall general plan of the Sa tooth National Recreation Area, the. Secretary is authorized to procure sceni ease- ments within. the boutidaries of the recreation ~rea. Such scenic easemen s n~ay be procured by~ gift, ~urchase with donated on appropriated funds or oth rwise, or by the exercise of the power of eminent dom~dh; ` Senator BI1!~LE We will ask the two 4~onsors of the bill, to ether with their ve~y able staffs, atid the staffj of this committee, to ake a look at your suggested langut~.e. ~ ~ . ~ . Mr. BRFA~IçENRIDGE. Thank you, sir. ~ ~ It may b~ j~hatsome of these assumpl4ons are ufrvvarranted. t hope not, for they contemplate no more than. èompensation for all t at is taken. Furthermore, it contemplates compensation ~t the time f the taking rathei~ than at some later date. The bill as presently rawn appears to defer compcn3ation for proper~ty taken by the enactm nt of regulations uiitil the landowner sells the fremainder of his prope ty to the FederaF~Gov~ernmeñt. In view of tb~ fact that in such a ca e the Secretary doØs not need the rest of the pfoperty, that is, the fee inter- est, this solution may pose serious consti4utional problems. In or er to obtain compensation for a.partial taking of his ~property-restri tions on use-the landowner must sell to the $ecretary property whi h the Secretaiy does not need-for which tb*e is no public purpos , and which he would not have authority to condemn. Furthermore, do erral of compensation may also pose constitutional problems, all of rhich can be avoided by restricting the use of zoning regulations to their customary function, and authorizing th Secretary to acquire cenic easements when he desires any further p ot~ction of scenic valu s. PAGENO="0055" SAWTOOTHI N~TIO Like most of the rancI~ers mt In general the deve1opi4~nt of conflict with. the goal of, p~ese~ Talk of creation of a nat~oná1 re to . subdivide land in o$ler to later be placed on undei~eloped values for condernion~pu~pos are supporting the creati~n of a n tion that it will riot ai~bitraril; property. I hope that if such an be justified. Thank you for permitting me Senator BIBLj~. I wan~ to coi an unusually fine and v~ry care ment. This is ~ one of the fiz~est st to hear in my day's wo±~k on t some o~ the problems that face for changes. And I think it is an ~ Mr. BR~CKENBIDG~. ~hax~k y Senator CHURCH. I w~nt also also to say that your objective are trying to draft this biU in suc Valley will not arbitr~ri1~r be afi property. And if there ar~ ways we can find them, those a~re tl~e' Mr. BRECKENRIDGE. I believe Sena~tor CHtrRCH. And ~ou ~ this legislation. Your test~moi~y e Senator BIBLE. Senator Jordan Senator JORDAI~. I, too, want fine statement. Your testi~nony is we will look over your s~iggestio session to write up this bi1~l, we wi tion. Just for the.record1 I noticed t in the yalley along time. How lo Mr. BRECKENRIDGE. Al~out 47 Senator JORDAN. Nearly half a Mr. BR~DCKENRIDG~. Y~. Senator JORDAN. I have been 0: ranch. It shows loving car4 in the employed there to make it product you went on there. And you put w it to make a turf that look~ like a improvement. Arid I want the ree the carrying capacity of t~iat ran~ the original land? Mr. BRECKENRIDW~. I would s 600 ewes and their lambs, and. m rams. On just, a few more ~tcres, w employed, we can now oj~erate a 7,000 feeder lambs, and in some y the addition of approximately 160 L ar~ :Lt E~EC1~ATIQN AREA ~, ~i. b~jv~e, spent a]l my life there. awtooth Valley has not been in the ~cenie /~beauty of tlie area. )fl area l:ia~ ~ot createçl aiiy,rush at~ tl~ restrictions which may ~ or jn order toinflate property .e people ,~f the Sawtooth Valley Ll recreation area on the assump- ct the reasonable use of their is created, this assumption will pear. here today. ent you, . Mr. Breckenridge, for conside~e4 ~nd objective state- nts tl~at~~[~ have been privileged rk Committee. . You . poin1~ out ud you. make some suggestions anding statement. nator Bible. , ,. in jn that,. Mr. Chairman, and urs are certainly the same. We ~ that(the people in~Sawtooth in .~he reasonable u~e of ~ their 7ords can acconiplish. this, and. that we will use. ~ be true, Senator. . ~ . . very hel$ul to us ~n fashioning~ at Sun Valley WaS very helpful.. mmend yOu, John, on a very truc.tive. And I assure you that nd when we go into executive. e~ tliei~i under serious considera-~ on and, your family, have: been S that been? ry? ranch. It is indeed a beautiful `vation practices that you have t was raw sagebrush land when ~n it and you seeded grasses on )l1L~SC. It is a wonderful pasture show that , you have improved ow much would you say over . t Lat we used to operate about ~ 25 head of pure-bred yearling I 1~ie improvements that we have rQ~umateIy 2,000 ewes, 5,000 to 5, t200 or 300 head of cattle, with re~ to the original ranch. 51 e 1. ati si~ ml ,o1~ a; I. I L1~ l~ I te at S `t ie~, t e 9 t 7 t h 0 0 ou Lae~ f~ç~ t ) a a , ,,. .~ . ~ PAGENO="0056" ~UDATION AREA ~n~tr~j', Senator. And w ry ccn~tructive d~v li for a ve~fr fine stat We heard his voice ~. Chairman, but if you ~~it wOuld take a little ~!ian]. ~ ~Qj~ Jordan, and mern ~ ~$pOrtunity to appe ~xiRrk~ rega~rdthg S 1~ ~e~ljii~ D~ti~e iii iBoise, dáhô Wildlife Federt~t ~and coriservati~thsts. ~ ~ a letter of 0 tnà~dè ~ st~tethent la ~. At ouç general State c :~ W~Mlif&FederatiOn p ~ wi~&1iI~: reOr~atioia ~ Of th~ N with ~O afiUiates~ act~ k~ tbde~. ~ll ca~ti add s0mething L~[d~ me `at a ra~ich~ we h ~aidian. I was éxöe~dii ~se pla~tes on ~the `auto *oMerful het~rt1ar~d of ~trically each ~ear-~-es .S. `~3 from S~, Valley ~Wrna~ri }Iigh~ay `frori ~g the recreMiiona~l op didn't here. e that DLIFE would of the ers of r here ~7, the [daho. ofl,' an am a ~th~r~ t year )nven-' ~d' a, bill `a~ atiofial `ss our to my ~e pur- gly un- nobiles Idaho. ecially and the Boise. ortuni~ ho's `by' 52 SAWTOOTH NATIONAL 1~1~( U have increased the pr~duc- ductivity, you have ad4led to ~ valley by making it a green have Senator JO~DAN. It is manifold that yd tivity of this ranch, and not only the prd the beauty and development of the enth~ picture aM a beautiful va~!Iey. Mr. B*~c~ENEu1~d~ We'iove that co~ tried not to ~detract from it~ view. Senator ~ Y~i h~*e been `a Senator B~LE. Tha~ik yoti very ~nu~ Our next witness is Mr.' Er~iest Day~ earlier in cOnnection with the slides. We are very happy to recognize you, Mr. Day. Mr. DAY. May I have Mr. Kimball ae~onipany the? Senator B~ri~LE. We are ah~ys glad D See ` Tom Kimball. I see him on the witness `li~t,' ~thd I won ~red~ `w~hat he was doin~ Senator: O~mu~. Wh~u~er yo~i ` a~ Mihi~ with country lii shown in th~pictifres yeit will a1*ay~ s~ ~ `Tern Khnbail. And also'!Ei~the D~y is'ot~ of ouroti~ ~a~di~ `~tdoOrsmen. E, I~AKO,~ ID~AHO wi: ~ !~ ~ i~flVtBALL loper. ment. little STATEMENI' OF ERNES1~ E. ~ DAT, BO]~ 1~E~ERA~ION, ACt~OMPAN~Ei Mr. DA~rThismay be redunda~it, M~ Uke to thuuttb through these while I ta1~ edge off of `it [handing picttfres to' c'liai~ Senator Bible, Sénatôr Church, Séu~ the commit$ee, I' `greatly aj~eciabe tl~ before yo~ 1tOdayr~ to ~r~ke afew J~$ef'~i~ Sawtooth ~ I am Ern~st E. `Day. I reside at 420 ~i I ~sh to appear `here' in" bebeJif of' the organizatioii `of nearly 2O,O~ `sportsme past preside~nt of `that organizati:on' ~u4 ization frt~x~ PresidEtht' Art' Matuley,' ivTt at the field hearings in Sun Valley, Idahp tiótL in `PocatellO itt 4.pril' 1D67, th~ `Id~u" resolution r~affirmiit~ `Oi~tr stand' oi~' i~ expressed bt~ President Mapley.' ` I also ~44pear here today "as ~ Wildlife F~deration, an ~organization Nation. I ~leo' tepresentth~orgath~at And I h~pe that perhaps ` Mi~ ` Kim remarks ]~tér. ` ` Last week was spent by my fathily~a~ chased in the Sawtooth Valley iiear pressed by the many differetlt'cottnty li~ of' Idaho citizen&~vacationing i~i this `~ Their number seems to increase geon~ with'thè `~*`pletion. of the' paving of T~ new time ~uad u1e~.sa~ruñ~ StarUey~~L~ Many Idal~oaris are just now~ discO~éi~ ties of this arei~ Butwi'th ~ll of this incre~e in ~ r pressed by ` the `fact that ottt-of-State ~uutos outnuftlbèrOd Id~ nearly 2 to 1. PAGENO="0057" SAWTOOTH NATIO I might add that most of ~Iiem Senator BIBLE. We have quit( dues to Nevada from your Stat . Mr. DAY. I am sure that is t] Senator CHURCH. May I ju changed the language of the bill tive area and the summits of the as a part of the wilderness area Act. You will remember that y of others of the wildlife groups, now made the language of the can to your intended purpose by tions and other procedures o t Sawtooth primitive area and ad~ The Secretary of Agriculture such act in relation to such prir Since we did have a Wilderne~ including primitive areas in the could not disregard this act, br affirmative as possible to . expe area and its orderly inc1usi~~ in Mr. DAY.. I notice ~ that this is Senator JoRDAN. The Secreta: Mr. DAY. Yes. And it was gra ~ll this extra publicity and pe have the l~igh1y fragile country c between that and reclassificatioi Senator CHURCH. I think this to get the job done. Mr. DAY. I hope so. This is now truly a natior~a1 r pressures emphasize the irnmed~ and more stringent groun4 ru asset. The field hearings, I am certs preponderance of l9cal citizens f: against that of a park. The area the wishes of irs in the area are i our responsibilities to so mana people of the Nation-just as rn North Cascades, or other natior for all of our people, present an My concerns regarding this ~ As you know, I am sure, th types. The Lower Sawtooth Vs meadows, beautiful lakes, and r wise planning and management tunities to motor-oriented vaca The Sawtooth Primitive Ar alpine fragility due to the smal soil mantle, its very short ~row granite ruggedness to its narro~m My majn concern, frankly, completely as possible.. We are RECREATION AREA enator Kuchel's from California. 7 of them stop over and pay their berject, Ernie, to say that we ate affirmatively tI~at the primi- ooth are intended to be included the provisions of the Wilderness ~stimouy on that area, and that ra~ized tl~i~ point. And we have tit bill conform as closely as we ig in section 7 that recommenda- ilderness . Act shall apply to the ~ to..the Glacier National Forest. comply with the provisions of ~ area in an expeditious manner. ~ which sets up the procedure for :ne~ area,. we thought we simply tried to make this language as he processing of this primitive 4lcier~ess area. ~ bMe~ than the one- speak to it this morning. ~. My concern was that we bring r~to this area, and if we didn't ed, ~it would suffer in the interim ~n.happy to see that- ctu~lly lever th~ Secretary along ion area and the ever-increasing eed for more complete facilities save this exceptional natural U will remember, showed a vast ig the reçreatiQn area concept as . natioual significance and while ~tant, we should not lose sight of ad protect this area for all the s the cape Cod Seashore, or the ~asures which must be preserved generations to come. oth area a~e several: sa is of two distinctly different and Stapiey Basin with its large lamized access are suited, under )rovide mass recreational oppor- ~g. in distinct contrast, with its of its lakes, the thinness of its eason, and its preponderance of ~tated valleys. eserving this primitive area as ppointed that S. 1267 does not fe~ 53 a S in I~i La hi Ie~ I. u1~. a~. ei~ LU iv( c1~i we ~ L~ ~si Ii III im or~ ; o, tr lit ~oI~ ca~ ~0] )ni 15 ess g~ ~eg .p~ PAGENO="0058" SAWTOOTH NATIONAL REt~REATION AREA mess, hat a ~m~nt ssible. ~ The f see- nitive s held ecord res to areas. late. ertain ceom- 1 this eation etary, ted it e Fed- ~those sou~rce, e base in the Park's ion of serva- visiOn .And So~ if ild be L. Th1t n the fund am a s sub- ments parks, onths. rid we those ration, Reyes, st $57 est we us act ly old ey are accomplish ~thnultaneous reclassificatio4i. of this area as wild under the ~pecffications of the Wildefuess Act. We noted majority on~both sides of the Sun V~alldy hearings were in agre that this area should be designated as *ilderness as soon as ~( I am encouraged that the bill states i~r section 7 that " ~ Secretary of Agriculture shall comply *ith the requirements tion 3 of said Act [of Wilderness Act] ~ in relation to such pri area in an expeditious manner." Nearly complete hearings we~ in Boise 3 years ago relative to this rech~ssification and a good was made for its accomplishments. Of large cbncern to us is the desirabii~ty for immediate nieas prevent further losses to * the ~naturalnes4 . of the ~ lowland valley Many cons~rvationists feel that S. 12~7 i~ ~tOO little and to So please let us not tarry in this overd~ protection. We are that the relreation area ~,\Tould be caj~bli~ of muëh earlier plishment and this is one of the main rbasons for our support concept. A third concern is over adequate fundingfor this national rec: area. This was touched on this morning by the Chief and the Sec and it sounds like part of our concern i~ groundless. At Sun Valley, Robert Smylie, th~4 Idaho's ~ Governor, st succinctly: ~ ~ Traditiona11~, when an area ha~ gamed the ~tu~tus of a National Park, t eral Congress bas seen fit to appropriate m~s$e~ra to develap and mining areas at an eitviable level of excellence * * ~ ;Wê iiuI~t manage this r and this canndt be donewithout sufficientfux4ing. Once again1 however, our endorsement of the National Recreation ~Area proposal on ~ our faiti abilities of our Congressional Delegation to secure adequate ~ funding. If this concept proves unsatisfactory, or funding is inadequate, ~ the proposal can be examined at a later time. We were~somewhat concerned, because in the funding sec 1267 it said that moneys could come froi~i the land and water c0 tion fund, a~d I couldn't as~rtain thatjthere was any other pr for other *~propriations other than t1~ 1~d and water fun I understan4l that there is quite a Intl of strain on that now this is made a national recreation area~ we feel that there sho additionalftinds prorated to implemenj~ it and ~ c~ry it out. Senator ~ BIBLE. I would hope ~ that *e can retdize ~your wis this is a difficult area, you must undth~stand. The demands 1?ederal dollar are terrific. The land and water conservatio doesn't produce enough to meet our present commitments. member of :tl~ Appropriations Commiittee, and I sit on th committee, ~ and we just do pur level b~st to meet the commi after we ha~ie authorized the parks We ~iave authorized a lot of national rect~eation ar~as, and seashorejareas m the last few r And Ed ~r4fts is here, aM he will be ~eaking very shortly, ~ will just do bur level best and try to fu4d~ it as best we can. Bu demands come to us from every noot and cranny of the I~ from Cape Cod, which isn't completdly funded, and Point which was authorized at $14 million, tind is now going to C( million, and Assateague here in Mary and-we just do the lo can, but if . anyone thinks that the miii ~te that we authorize t .it will be . funded, that isn't true. An L you do have extrem representation in the Congress ( I the United States, and ti PAGENO="0059" SAWTOOT~I NATI 1 there before this Ap~~ropriat o Brother Day told us ti~at we s can't go back to Idaho. Arid t ~ demand for money is terrjfie. Mr. DAY. As a taxpayer,I v ç) ing the purse very carefully. B uniqueness of this area. This is Senator BIBLE. I kn~w it is. Mr. DAY (continuing) . As i~dvocating this one. I njake no to see it done right. And in co: ~ you mentioned it woul4 be reb ~i Senator BIBLE. I heard the whether $9 million is re~ative1y ~ ment of $27 million. lit is a ma t found all of thesebecom~c e~pei ~i tions to our overall ~parl~ and re r whether the Park Serv~ce does ~ going . to cost you monE~y. And t around. We will do tljèb~st we c gets a treme~dous athok~it~ pf t ~ well represented. .A~n t~wfixl lot O ~ Mr. DAt. Thank ~ou~ Senator CHURCH: ~ Ma~r I just s putting in section 12 w~ of co money to the iandLand ~vater c ~ clear that this is~ an aut~orized u `source that we thought wa~ ap r sition. ` , Mr. DAY. Ahd' the pc~int I a `that while this may be e~pensiv the case just. by t'h~e pop~41atioñ e sive later, and if might 1$ ~ gob of it as we can right now~. Senator BIBLE. I cott1~ln't ag~ up with this magicfOrmflla ~t wo has gone. He mentione4 Point' million, and it is costing tis `$57 i that is created. If we had the d authorized to do in the ri~ht han position. `But we ha~n'~ come able to dO this. And ~ ha~re ~j create the outdoor recreation fun~ fund. So we are doing e~er~thin just as quickly .aswe cai4 But you are right, ei~y day'~ all have the same philbsoph~; ~v but we haven't got the i~qagic an best to see that you are ftinc~ed a Mr. DAY. Fine. Thank you. Another lesser concern ~s the f~ ment plan is not, at pre~ent, to opinion, however, thaf the sar AL RECREATION AREA Is ~ Com~.ittee every time saying, ~ hare to have this money, or we y ~?ut on an effective case. But the I be the first to defend your watch- would also like to emphasize the thing special-- of other places are, but I am gies for it. It is great: And I want son to some of those others that T inexpensive, I am sure. tag' this morning. I don't know ensive or not,' or a total develop- f judgment, I think. But I have And I think they are great addi- )n area. But they all cost'mo'ney, the Forest Service does it, it is ai~e'just so many dollars `to go hare `noticed that Idaho certainly ed'eral tax money. You are very omes back to Idaho. hei~e, ~ Eft)iè, that our purpose in not to restrict the development `ation fund, but just to,'make it or `that money. It was to add a at~ for development and acqui- ing to mak~ ~5~nator Bible, is , in the irery, near future, as was ion,' it, will b~e much more e~pen- estthent to'~bil down as much th yoti thore~ If we could come e'l~p `a good c1~al;, Senator Ku'chel S. ~ TbM ~ ~uthorized at $14 ~ And tha~ ~s true of every park in the. left hand to do what we would be in .a far better business i~th the `magic formula of being (d off fttnds in variOus ways to the land and water conservation can to acquire these ~~operties y'is going to cost'us'more. We ill trying to *lo the same thing, ~ But `we are going to do our ~arly date. at the Forest Service's manage- defined. I am of the personal ganization which many years 55 I 1o1~ o1~ a~ rd ic~ e$~ r~ e. ati 0. Sc, S~ 1 a' ti~ o~ b ix~ U I d. `ho pn nd el r~ E~r t ti: rel 0, e PAGENO="0060" 56 SAWTOOTH NATIONAL REC ItEATION AREA ago established the Sawtooth Primitiv enforced its rules, will in this case do an National Recreation Area. I think also, on the point that was brought up earlier, that lands, the small acreage of those that tare included, could P( best come under the jurisdiction of th~ Forest Service withii Area and promulgate de4uate job for the Say I and tooth BLM rhaps that )nsors been ation, Logical ~ening ~inuaI have * I c~n is not ~nd. we to this in the ped in area. Senator BIBLE. That makes sense to r$. And I defer to the sp of the bilL I Mr. DAY. In short, then, gentlemen, ~S. 1267 has in principl endorsed by the citizens of Idaho, is in tI4e best interests of the ~ and is of immediate need in protectingi and managing the eco frailties of this superb resource. We urge speedy passage of S. 1267 without further wea amendments. Thank you. Senator BIBLE. Might I ask just a few questions. I?o you have any reliable visitation figures in this area on an basis? Mr. DAY. I don't. I am sure Mr. 0114'S organization does. W been vacationing in that area for about4 17 ~ 18 year~. And a] say is that e~rery year it ~dways seei~ t4 be Iouble~ I, ~ki~o ~ w tha true, but it is a geometric p~ogi~ssioi~ ~f people rn this area. I are just now getting the main highwayfrom our State capital area. And there is going to be almost a~i explosion in that area near future. * Senator BIBLE. I know that these figures have been devel the field hearings, and I just didn't haçve them in mind. Senator CHURCH. The Secretary ha4 them to present to morning, and they are now in the reco$rd. They show that th has jumped~from 338,000 visitors in 19(j5 to42Q,000in 1966, ai expect a miWon by * 1968. * * ~ . Senatoi~ BIBLE. Those are the figure~ I was 1ool~ing for-33~ 1965, 420,000 in 1966, and they estimat4 that in 1967 it will be 7 and by 1975 it will be 1,200,000. Mr. Kimball, do you have anything that you want to add? Mr. KIMBALL. Just a couple of comx~ients, Mr. Chairman. that I am hopeful that the other body `~yill consider this legislat is acted on favorably by the Senate, so that we can favorably this question. Senator CHURCH. We keep living WiI~1i that hope. Senator J~IBLE. Is your QbservationfRrompted by some do~ Mr. KIMi~Ai~L. Yes ; it has been, and~s.peciaJly since I have re perhaps the House committee will adjc~urn. Senator BII3LIL I think this has onl~f been-I don't know ti are going to adjourn, I think the statc~ment was made that t] consider no legislation after September 1. however, I think t ways are certain exce~ptions. I think that statement was made a when it appeared that we might go out early in Septemb probably we will be lucky now if we ~re out early in-I don which year. But in any event that is something Jtbat should be directed well know from your many years on t~ie Hill, to. the other sid legislative aisle. We are going to do ou~ best on this side and ti is this ~ figure .d they 000 in ~o,ooo' One is Lo~ if *it resolve ibts? Ldtbat ~t they *ey *111 iere al-S b a time ~r. But t know as you S of the y to get PAGENO="0061" SAWTOOTI~ N~TIO it done without delay so that y as you get it done. i\'Ir. KIMBALL. We plan to d that you will help us. The other thing is that in co cerned our organization for quit that while many of these proje been authorized, that they reall ment the objectives of the vario am hopeful that some formula recreationists in general would f in being willing to produce addi coming primarily from those wh Senator BIBLE. I would hOpE don't know. I have a flood of ma I could give you many other exa You try to get the man ~ ho is us him so much to put it in 0 Lake Army reservoir~ And my iiail do but I hope that they would' he what you have just said But ti are taxpayers, we ~ay' to doggo that we should be able to do is pu which you people ~tuthorized a: nature is a very strange sort of th I would share your hope that m time you start putting the taxes iVir. KIMBALL. I know that y that way, and those that go alo time out to write and express t far as the wildlj!fe people are con their own way, and are hopeful ti Senator BIBLE. I would share Mr. KIMBALL. This additional point raised as an example is th to appropriate sufhici~flt funds i job. It gives land speculators tim Senator BIBLE. Again, I could pose in this game of life you h Vietnam becomes one and Defeti three, and maybe health and wel dollars to go around. And som dollars with a great budget defle with you, we still have to get th Mr. KIMBALL. :i; agree with yo the champion of the conservatio I ani just hopeful that when you priations Committee member th that budget limitation and find Senator BIBLE. I am sure we Senator CHtJRCH. Let me just point, asking help over in the H found out in 1 1 year~ iti Washi: the House of Representatives. 57 ~` L Rt~CREATION AREA U Ci~ . ~work on the other side as soon h~t, Mr. ~hairman. And we hope ec ioti with `futiding-this has con~ a ~ umber ofyears-we have noted , parks, and recreation areas, have L~Ii en't b~èn funded to fully imple- b: ls that have been passed. And I )I~ be ~wotkèd out. I am sure that ~w th~ patt~rn of the wildlife people )n~ revenue to do this job properly, `til ze the recreational resources. h~ observation; might be right. I on raising the duck stamp tax. And ~ . Ed Gi~kfk1a is an expert in this. ~ t~ ~ ~boat~-~~ubre going to charge e~ ~ or Glen Canyon, or back of an `tL t~t~wha't ~bti ate saying, Tom, i$ ~ rnd~e' wiliihg to go along with ~$ ing is expressed to me that, we di ii~,hinta~~es, and the very least ~* bbat withtut charge upon a lake . ;; ~ e~t~d ~ thid * futided. And human . ~., nd this has been my impression. y~ their could pay more, but every it~ ~h& mail goes up. ~ ~ar from these people that feel ~ M 5h the procedure don't take the ~ r iewpoitits. But I know that as ~ ~ d, the~r have traditionally made t]~' e reoreationists will do the same. at. ~ os~ that ~e are thiking about-the ~ it of the nature of the Congress iii e to ~ really more in aild do the ` 0 f rcè ~ ` up the price of the land-~- I t a ~ree with yon more. But I sup- ~ e ot to list priorii~ies'. I suppose ,e tt~ y be tw~ and maybe education ~L O~ ~ Atidthereare just so man t n~ ~ ~ we juet t~an't create enoug .t to do ~li~ these things. I will agree ; O1~ U~5. " ` ~ ;, ~s~t . Chairman.And you have been ~L1 Se for a great many years. And I U~ Ofl your other hat as an Ap~pro~ t ~ raet~OW yOu ~LI1 readjust within itt e money for the Sawtooths. il . ~ 1 am very optimistic about that. ~ y,~ Tom, with respeot to your first u ê f Representatives, that I have ~ c~1 that Senators are off limits in T e~ it cOmes to action over there C Ii 1 ii I C r PAGENO="0062" 58 SAWTOOTH NATIONAL REC~ThATION AREA you must Io&k to your elected Congress. And I would hope~ that citizens groups that have had a great interest in the Sawtooth n~tural~ recreation ~ar~a as well as, I might say, tUe Wild Rivers bill, and other important cOnservation measures, will ko to work ~ expressing that: citizen's interest through ~ their Congre$s, so that we canget some responsive ~Øtion in the~ }ionae of Repre~entatives. Mr. KIMB4LL. We certainly plan to d~o that, Senator Ohurcl Senator BIBLE~ Senator Jordan. Senator JORDAN. No questions. Senator BIBLE. Thank you very much, gentlemen. Your testi is very helpful. And we will do our best to move forward on th without delay. Our next witness is Mr. Ken Pomeroy, tchief forester of the Am Forestry Association. cuony Ls bill rican ER, I ani Vestry STATEMENT .. or icENNE~li B, P0 EROY, CHIEF FOREST AM ERICAN FORESTRY ~SSOCIATION Mr. POMBROY. Mr. Chairman and m~bil~rs of the committee Kenneth B. Pomeroy, chief forester ~ of the American Fc Association. The SawtOoth Mountains of Idaho hold a spe~iai attracti members 0 the American Forestry Association. One officer association was born in that area, Anot1~r director has climbed major peak~ ~Other officials have visited~ the area from time to The assoeiat~ion also has co~iducted se~4e~a1 of its trail riders wilderness e~peditions into the most rer4i$e mountain valleys. And I w~uld like to say that we ha*e discontinued that ac because we consider these valleys to h~e too fragile for our t: activity. W~ have horseback expeditiDns, and there isn't e foliage to take 30 or 40 head of horses into some of these remote All of our people urge that the Sawtctoth Mountains be desi~ as a national recreation area. Mr. Chairman, it is a pleasure to cOmp before you on a subje we are wholeheartedly for. Senator B~B LB. We are delighted to ~ave your endorsement always of v4u~e tohave additional recr~ation.~:~ Thank yoU, Mr. Pomeroy~ Senator Oh~rcIL? S~wator C~mR.CR. 1 endorse your sta ~ ment. Senator BIBLE. Senator Jordan. Senator JORDAN. I endorse it also. Senator BIBLE. Thank you, Mr. Pomeroy. Our next witness is Dr. Edward C. Crafts, Director of of Outdoor Recreation, Department of ~he Interior~ n for ~f the every time. Df the bivity, rpe of aough areas. nated t that It is STATEMENtS OF EDWA~fl 0. CRAP' ~ OUTDO~R RECREATION, iftPART the] ~ureau ~,., DIRECTOR, BUEEJ ~NT OF THE INTER] . Mr.. CRAFTS. Senator Bible, Senator~Jordan, ~içl Senator C I do not have a prepared statement. M± remarks w~ill be very b You do have before you the report of the Department of the I on this bill. The facts in the case have~be~en presented. The e~ has been give~ ~to support the charaeter of this area by p OR OF hurch~ ~ief. ~terior idence evious PAGENO="0063" SAWTOOT N~TIO witnesses. I personally a~n f~mili outstanding characterist~cs. The j oint Forest Ser~ice-Par] outlined two alternatjve ap~roa~ the other one was a na.t~ ?nal reci of the areas that have been Ufl( ments during their effo4s tp wo tion of areas for reere~tional ~ the subj ect of controversy or di merits. I am happy to s~y with: Interior Departi~nent suj~poi~ts ti administration by the 1~ ~rest Se You will note that the report 1267 states that it has no obje have been authorized b~r Secret and to say on the contr~ry that mends the enactrn~nt of l~he pill. I am also instructed to i~dvis National Parks Advisor~r I~oard tooths as a possible nat~on~l pa: designate a subcommittee tb vis However, this was alm~Qs1~ a it may or m~y~not occu~' ~ ~ .If they make ~ vi~it to the az~e~ Castle Peaks area to ~he east of But I am making th~se rem~ any way to thrQW~,a clQu~i or~ the Senator CHURQ~I. No~ev~n a Mr. CRAFTS (continuii~g). Or t on the passage ~of this bi~l, not ~ However, I would say that, sii what new, 1il~ to ~ow the ad~ini~ between the Park Seryic~ud th tio~i `areas are sort of w1~ you ~a national ftrest and~ u~tiopa1 p area should be more ~ th~i 4~ip national forest area and pu~ting managixig it4n the same way as I do believe that. this bill an clear that this national recreatiô the normal multiple~use nationa. Among other things, i~ would of the management of tl~e area fee and easement of cert~dn priv and the Stanley Basin i~hich ai national forest, It would permit lish certain regulations s~ith resi lands in the area. With i~espect I have been mentioned by previoi. to expect that the Secretary o Secretary of Agriculture, ~wo~i1d t: of Agriculture, and they would I of the national recreation area. I~ECREATION AREA th thearea, and can certify to its vice report o~. about a year ago ,Qne was for a natjonal park and n area. The Sawtooth area is one Dnsideration by the two depart- .t an agr~ement over administra- ses that in the past have been ement between the two depart~. ct to the Sawtooth area that the ation of a recreation area and its he Department of Interior on S. to the enactment of the bill. I Jdall to piodify that statement, )epartment supports and recom- i, as the r~port states, that the express an interest in the Saw~~ ~t October, and had planned to d look at the area. ~go, aiid has not occurred. And aay incindethe Whit~Cloud and awtootb Valley. ~ ~o clarify the record and not in ress of this bill or to suggest- e Ol9uçl? gest that tber~be any deferment )n White Cloud. ~tiona1 recreation areas are some- on of such are~s has been divided est Service. Tj~he national recrea~ it call. a ]~ialiway house between [ think that a .nation~J recreat~Qp. angirig the napie. of an existing W name onthe same thing and ~ been managed in the past. testimony this morning makes ~ would besomething more than ;t administration. ~ recreation the primary purpose ~ wopid authorize acquisition by nds within the Sawtooth Valley V outside the boundaries of the ~cretary ofAgriculture to estab-~ o the conforming use of private 10,000 acres of BLM land that nesses, I believe it is reasonable Interior, upon request to the ~r those lands to the Department Le national forest lands and part 59~ ti es. Lti( rp ~PE ic~ f t y ~e lt~ ri it i.e rO ,1~i ati Li~1 k. ar EL1ç( i ~1 LI; ~ wil the i~i: e bi: 0 ~L. PAGENO="0064" I 60 SAW1~OO~ ~A~XO~AL EF~C Ft~A~ION AEEA Pour private land. prhrate land, which 37i Cod. But what w that th~ rè~ord is to I ~ s~ it, I ~fthó~iiaketh~i~tcif the th Pe~t: ~creaii~iti i~~1p~1~ ~ ~i~i~&io~gerneht ofth~ ~~rixiWtipl~ uses of j~l ~bb impair or thfrin~ ite~ fó~ ~ ~h a national recreatic c~f eznphasis I continu~ ~: Land M~th~th~ent, ~+~r Ithe' Th:~r~t ` ç~~in drdg more a~nd more I o a~tin I~hbpe*s ~re' ae1d-thet~ompeting a~ is `to the reciéationi5~ 4~. It leaves `rn~ just is: ~ecause certainly' t] ~ tight today. You, knoi least they are tryIng ~óre and I~1ore: recreati active of administerir oney ~ition ough vhich ;ional `ights rea is Le use lative unless inly I `as. to ParI~ ~e are irgely ~,tT~iop ~d you, *hich )U' can else is clear sthat ~tion~l )f fi~e Amber .e area upon rnlent ii area ~to'be which ~ Act. oward avOid- encie~ ~; an4 ~ iittk iere is vthat. to get onally Lg the Land a d water conservation fund mo: ley, assuming there is n in the fund, would also be made available for the purpose of acqui of fee title or easements of the private la. ids. It would, of course, bring tourism and recreation to the area th: the congressional establishment of a national recreation area has become a very popular instrument or vehicle of congre~ recognition in the last several years. Hunting and fishing would continue In the area and water would be urutffected. I do want ito underscore the fact thatj a national recreation intended to be something more than al~ove the normal multip of the national forests. I would hope thatithe record and the legi~ history that' is made here would recogni~e and support this. Beyond that, Mr. Chairman, I have nothing more to add, there are some questions. Senator BIBLE. I think that is a very fine statement. Certs share all the views that you have expressed. I am not quite clea: this halfway `house between the Forest S~ervice and the Nationa concept. AT~4 I hope that the 1egislativ~. hist~ity is such that clear as we ±e~d it in the future that what~beth~do~eh&o does 1 use the mu1t~ple-use concept. ~ ~ ~ ` ~ ` You can fish on the~ area just as your ea*ih a th~tion~1 pat1~ can hunt there, which you cannot in a n~tionál park. Yoii'~an d a mining daim there, ~whi~hyóü cannot'ónat~ational park. Ar can have grazing and permit the runni~ of cattle ahd sheep, you cannot on a national park. ~: Senator CHURCH. And you can keep ~ Senator BIBLE. And yoncan keep th~ do in a national recreation area such a~ there that is really different? I:don't kn~ on this half*ay buslttess. ~ Mr. OnAF~. The ~ri~it~ differ~ce recreation be~omes the piimary purpos~ recreation a~ea. And in the' national fd coequal purposes of management. And I~J and the grazing and the water and the d are to be handled in a way that does' the primary purpose of managing that a There iS a fundamental distinction bet~i and a national forest. Senator BiBLE. Maybe it is a ehangt~ somewhat mystified by the Bureau originally w~s set up largely to ad~i' And now it seems to me `they `ire be, recreational uses, acquiring land. And ~ ing-and you are a good catalyst in theL: all running where the popular demand all trying to get in the same general f1 perplexed as to how you draw the line great recreation within the Forest Servic' And there certainly is with BLM. At their foot in the door, and to become oriented rather than their prime ob Taylor Gra~ing Act. PAGENO="0065" I SAWTOOTH NATIO~ But I wanted you to ~akè a ~ that the two Senators fr~m IdaF that is very ideally situa~ed to that it has and the conffi~ting mt to be commended for it. I know t says there is nothing in the cr later consideration for th~ creati there is anything to pre~ver~t so national park with its rkiore re~ have to wait and see how this w area that has been worke4 o~it h painstaking effort on the~part of is not to be taken as another li mately hopes to create out of thi done when we finish it. I~I dQn't I know whether or not yo~ur para~ Mr. CRAFTS. That pa~ragraph Senator Bible, is a refie~tion of Advisory Board which I have d that maybe some years ip the fu 10 or 20 years, or how loilig it mi~ of our wild lands are sucI~ that tF national park, it is not intende immediate proposal for ~ nation or two. It is recognition of the si~ area in many ways is not much the Jackson Valley that lie a c This is a reflection of the high qu intended to be a bloek or a hazar Congress, or a suggestio~ii that t proposed in the next s~vei~al y Senator BIBLE. I am 1~ap$y t( good faith. And certainl~r the p~ should be convinced and persuad area we are not going to Use t national park just a few tears he we have carefully writte4 and gi~ we would do in this bill. This is what I am tryi~g to~ sa: well know, to probably 50 yean And I don't want to h~ave this ha many, many years, I wor~'t say f( but at the-at least for th~ nes should be created, operafted, an from the witnesses of th~ Senato And they are here and they c~ Senator `Cirnncu. I aj~preciat And I think Senaftor Jo~dan wi solution, the best. plan fdr the a endorsing and supporting. We legislation as the be~t an~we~r. I do want to say, lao*ever; I Interior and the Secr~t~ry, ~ t reached an understanditig' with ~ECREATION AREA Lear record on this. It strikes me re brought this committee a bill ~rticular area and the problems that it has. And I think they are ttence in your official report that of this bill that shall preclude a national park. I don't suppose iture Congress from creating a ye limitations. And maybe we out. But I would hope that the ~er so many years and months of tor Church and Senator Jordan ~y step to what somebody ulti- a. I hope we are getting the job whether we are or not. I don't 1 means that. I understand and interpret it, interest of the National Parks )ed, a reflection of the thought I don't know whether it will be s, when the demands for the use ~a might again be promoted as a indicate that there will be an rk in this area in the next year tive character of this area. This ent than the Grand Tetons and of hundred miles to the east. and caliber of the area. It is not ~he progression of this bill to the would be an immediate change r that, because we are acting in who have holdings in this area tat when we create this creation ts a stepping stone to create a and then undo something which teed and almost contracted that cause this led, as you very, very )roblems in the Grand Tetons? again. I hope that it will last for r, because forever is a long time', ure, that is the way this area intained, this is my impression m Idaho. ~ak for themselves. ur saying that, `Senator Bible. `ee. We believe `this is the best ~nd this is the plan that we are I in rking' out this proposed ~at I think the. Department of commended highly for having ~c~etary of Agriculture on this 61 ~7C ha' Se] in~ oi~ jet: ks are O~V ~rI~ E1e~ t~ in re B] 0 [1. al n )I S S :1] is I :~i I ~i4 0 a ~rs. ie~i )le L tI ft e, ~ai~ 7, I ~f fti~ fr y~E ag i. be `~ B bi PAGENO="0066" SAWTOOTH NATIONAL EJ~iCREATION AREA area, so that we can avoid a fight between the Park Service ~ Forest Service. Frequently we have ~een these two great fi balancing ~ne another, when it looked ~o us from the outside 1 interest of each fiefdorn w~ placed hi~her than the general interest. Ankl I think that this has be4n avoided. A joint stu made. The ~Departm~nt of Interior ha4 cooperated in the con that we rea4hed from that study, and I4as come here today to the recreation area. And I think that steaks well for the Secre the Interior and for all of you who have been associated w: recreational side of Interior's responsibilities. Mr. CRArTS. Thank you, Senator. SenatorBIBLE. Senator Jordan? Senator JORDAN. May I add my voice to say to my great Ed Crafts, that we did appreciate yourt coming here, because s as this rivalry is between the two Dekartments, we apprecis fact that y~u have worked~ this out t~ your own satisfactio~ that the jud~gment was made as far as tjie two Senators are con after the h~arings at Sun Valley andi the testimony of the who came ~ there and spent their mon~y to testify in favor national recreational area over a natioMi park. So I just want the record to show that as far as this cou concerned, this is the end of it. We don't ~ have any halfwa~ in mind. And we think that this can be worked out on. th~ better than any other to meet the ne~ds of all the public ir affected. Senator ]~IELE. Thank you very m~ch. And thank you; ] your very h~lpful testimony this morn~1g. The record will be kept open until September 5 for other ad( information that may be i~urnished, v~hich will be inèluded record at this point. (The data referred to follows:) STATEMENT O~ THE II~AHO FAR1~X BUREAU FEDERATION We welcome the opportunity to testify o~-~ S. 1267, a bill to estal~ Sawtooth National Recreation Area. The I~aho Farm Bureau Federa a voluntary n~embership of 11,500 paid family memberships. Because o~ has long bee~ in support ~ of multiple use of *ur n~tural resources and that the fut~ir~e potential of this area lies main'y in recreation, we wish to the Creation df a National Ree~reation Area, r~dministered by the Forest We realize that to aèèomplish the creatiOt$ ~f a National Recreation would be necessary fo~ Congress to adQ~ legi~iation which would direct lands be adm~istered primarily fc~r ddve1opm~ent of qut-doorrecreaticin other resources be utilized to the fullest extent compatible with this objective. * * * ~ ~ But we reo¼~mmend maximum ~rotectiOn b~ given to private ownershii and business that fall within theboundaries o~ this area in the purchase erty, and in tlie determination of what is or is~ot compatible with this ol Livestock. grazing and forage production, t~urist trade, guiding and o services are irpportant to the established locaI~ economy Many people wi area and in sitrrouuding cornmu~iitie~ depend~oñ these resources for a li~v : Timber hai4ve~tiiit andgrazi~ df livéstoel4 are permitted on Nationa Lands. unde~ ~ polici~s. Any change of these pc order to make them compatible with the Recreation area could drastical ence the economy of the area. Our concern for this was magnified by sectiton 7 of SB 3295 and by th~ the "Proposed~ Regulation of the Secretary of Agriculture Governing the istration of National Forest Wilderness" whioh is found on page A-i an the publication "Managing National Forest wilderness", which states, "I 62 nd the ~fdoms Lke the public ly was ~lusion ndorse bary of th the friend, s keen te the i, and 3erned people of the itry is ideas ~ basis .terests ~~1 -`U, for itional in the [ish the ion has r policy ealizing support Service. Area it that t he nd that over-all of land )f prop- )jective. itfitting bhin the elihood. I Forest licies in Ly influ- part of Admin- A-2 of [1 carry. PAGENO="0067" SAWTOOT~I NATI ing out such purposes Nati~na1 F~r perpetuate, and restore the wilderne of solitude, physical and m~ntal chal tive recreation. To that er~d ~ * * resolving conflicts in resour*e use." we feel private ownership ~nust be ported to us that approxim~tely 9% be removed from the count~r ta~ roll of revenue to the counties involved. We are of the opinion tl~at a Nal management needs, provid~ coi~tinu area in an economical and effi~ient established local industries such as maximum protection. A National Recreation A~ea ~xas i management of wild g~Lin~ in~ retair continue to expand uses and in mini vate ownership. It could a~sure wid all concerned. We request that this letter be ms STATuMENT OF GLENN B~EW~R, CouNcIL AS MAYOR M Gentlemen, subsequent ~o the h Sawtooth Mountains held in ~un 3295 was printed, and since reading believe that certain things pertainii served and protected in or4er to ret In any event Senate Bi~l 3~95 s Mountains and of the prothction of tional values. A section of the Bill, that the area must be zon~d *ith architecture, and building r~aat~rials We who opposed a Natiohal Recr~ such as would have been created wF The minority, however, ~ not sati Yet still, with Senate Bill 3295 the zoning. Now it appears there wiil bei The condition~ which pr~ail aim adjacent to the hig~hway, i~o n~enti atmosphere. ~ In addition, our Federa~ Govern would like ñothingbètt~ i~h~tn to h and let me show them what th~ For camp grounds alongthe Salmon Ri I, like so many, many others F would mean so much more ~io t~e st~ sceniC beauty. There is ver~T little gr from the University in Mc~scoW, Id worthwhile minerals in i~lie area. ~ study of the same area which is jus If we can't have a Nat~ona~ Par RecreatlOil area, let's forget it all an in so many other places. I thank you for this Park. I AL RECREATION' AREA lderness shall be managed to promote, acter of the land and its specific values seientiflc study, inspiration and prirni- ilderness values will be dominated in erness values are to be dominant, then maximum protection. It has been. re- private lands in Custer County would islation should provide there be no loss Recreation Area could promote better tiple use of the natural resources of the ith the least adverse influence on the ock, mining, timber, etc., under this dvantages over a National Park in the portuhitie~ for private land `owners to ~ the amount of land taken out of pri- lety of uses and economic benefits for iY~ I~A]~O, REPRESENTING THE `CITY CIIA1\~BER OF COMMERCE on a National Recreation area in the Idaho ~üring June, 1966, Senate Bill ill a great rnexiy residents were led to ur, mOst scenic country would be pre- `h beauty for `future generations. of' the pr~servation of our Saw~t'ooth nic, historic, wildlife, and other recrea- er to protect such preservation, states t; to use, acreage frontage, set backs, 0 maintain the ranch-type atmosphere. area.w&it'ed a Sawtooth National Park ator Church's First National Park Bill. nd wanted a National Recreation area. ity is not satisfied, and does not want ng, only scenic easement. FOR WHAT? highways-A-frame' buildings,. airports two, do' ndthing to create a Western and our State are fighting pollution. I~ e pollution committee come to Stanley vice h~s dou~to bur country with their r `lakes and ~tream~. 0, believe , a Sawtooth National Park I whole and certainly would `protect our no good timber, and mining authorities fter a three-year study, have found no me applies to a two-year Government ~ completed. ` we are not going to zone a National ian destroy our scenic beauty as he has you can reconsider for a National ,,. . `... . .~ . . I 63 v'il e4 S e 0 ci V vei S art of the hearing. Thank you. t e t~ o1~ ion d i*1~J on ju t~ z ci nt 0, eifl et PAGENO="0068" 64 SAWTOOTH NATIONAL RE~EATION, AREA [Attachment] Following is ~ statement of the tourist dollar spent here since 1962, wh very interesting: 1962 1963 1964 1965 1966 1967 (to Aug. 18th) ADRAIN BURSTEDP, Cashier, Custer County B ch are T ousands $464 390 240 1, 180 300 140 snk. lAGER, I am t~ed at itte as bill to socia- a as a ing to area. t this rvice. mber, posed iLry of other cation ercise ~ion is STATEMENT OF TH1~ODORE HOF?, Jn.,Vicic PE~DENP s~N~I~ GENERAL MA~ Ijoi~r LUM8ER ~ Mr. Chairman, I am Theodore ~Ioff, Jr. of }~orseshoe Bend, Idaho, and vice president and general manager of the Hoff Lumber Company loc~ Horseshoe Bend, Idaho. I am presenting this statement before your comm president of the Southern Idaho Forestry Association.. The members. of my association are in favor o~ Senate Bill 1267 which is a establish the Sawtooth national recr~atiön area in the State of Idaho. My a tion has been in favor of a portion of this proposed Sawtooth recreational ar wilderness area and is in favor of the United St~tes Forest Service continu administer the ~public lands i~ the proposed S~wtooth national recreatior~ We are in fa*or of the multiple use law pass~d by Congress and wish th~ Sawtooth area *ould continue to be managed bsf the United States Forest S This is in order~ that utilization and disposal of jnatural resources such as 1i grazing, recreation and mining can be continued in accordance with this pr recreation act and the multiple u~e act. We are in favor of Senate Bill 1267 in that t1~é law will allow the Secret Agriculture to cooperate with other Federal agencies and with State and local public agencies. It is mentioned in the act that "Nothing in the act shall affect the represeri and responsibilities of the State of Idaho Fish and Game Commission to e provisions of the State law with respect to hunti~ig and fishing." My assoch heartily in favor of this portion of the propos~d act. In eonclusjon~- ~ 1. We wLsh ~o emphasize the necessity of e~dequate provision to insu] vention of infes~ion of the timber by disease and~insects. This can be accom~ by private logging and manufacture of the timber in coordination wi recreational use ; . I ~ 2. Permlt ~ut11izaiio~ of the sizable potenth4l for future high quality sports development on lands outside of the wilderness; 3 . Mininiize the amount of land which woulct be removed from private ship; ~ 4. Permit measures to improve livestock range, game forage and habitat: Pre~ver~t floods and impound water to the extent compatible with recreation values; 5. Assure coixtrol of deer and elk herds at levels consistent with the capa winter ranges a~ hunting is aUow~d and encou4aged in national recreatior within national~ forests; and 6. Retain op~ortun~ties for private landowne 5 t~ continue and expand services and Other uses where compatible. STATEMENT OF WILLIAM G. GUEIèNSEY, BOIsE, IDAHO My name is William G. Guernsey. I live in Boise, Idaho and am self-em~ . as a forestry and land management consultant. I am here to report my concerning Senate Bill 1267, a bill to establish a Sawtooth national recreatio] I have carefully examined the Sawtooth Mountain area study summary prepared jointly by the U.S. Forest Service a~id the National Park 5cr wish to take this opportunity to commend the wo Government agencies detailed analysis made of the Sa~Wtooth Moun am area resotirces and rn pre- lished h the winter )Wfler- ishery verall ~ity of areas ourist loyed views i area. report ice. I r the nage- PAGENO="0069" SAWTOOTI1 NATIO ~L RECREATION AREA 65 ment opportunities and for ~hat appe report of their findings. I ~1so expr conducting this hearing so that the ~ can be heard and considereçl h~ deli Sawtooths. I strongly support multiple u~e pr Nation's public lands. The po~ing I food, fiber and recreation opportuniti type of management be applied to mc be reasonably met. The national recreation area idea one, and praise Idaho's tw~ Senator~ team for considering this. I ~ believe suited to the Sawtooth country. In g with reclassification of the j~rimitive recognize the scenic and reqreational their intensified protection ~tnd the enjoyment. It will also, as I understa grazing, lumbering, mining, ranchix compatible with recreation ~aIu~s. I strongly endorse the n~tioi~al r these specific reasons.: 1. The national recreatior~ area co: recreation opportunities. Hu~itiiig anc tration and regulation. Org~nization will continue. The winter s~ort~ pot recreation attractions can and will uk 2. Big game animals can be kept i hunting. An established Ioca~ outfittei 3. The timber, forage, mir~eral and tinue to furnish food, fiber, and mind the local economy and minimize disrup enterprises. 4. It will minimize possibilities for meat and maximize oppori~unity fo management of the national recreatioi lag national forest land. The ~am~ leve very likely be more costly if ~wo agen~ 5. Less land would be taken from pi recreation area were enactedi 6, The western ranchingia~mospher and enhanced under the natiçnal recr imposes on the naturalness, it i~ one land as I view it. 7. Maximum opportunity for local, under the national recreation ares des~ In conclusion, I strongly endors provided in Senate Bill 1267. STATEMENT OF BRêCK EvAws, NOW SIEBRA CLUB AND I~EDEEATD The Federatioa of Westeri~i Ojitdo record of concern for the scenic and wi region, recognizing this area: as one In the recent past, these or~anizatio: Sawtooth Primitive Area, to be reels Wilderness Preservation System, and the present Primitive Area ax~d the coi with wilderness status for th~ Primiti' Our position of concern for the fate today. We still believe that a large N and the lowland features of i~he area, for the outstanding scenery of the Saw areas. We still believe that the present I wildlands, must become a part of the V me to be a clearly stated and unbiased appreciation to this committee for f intere~ted people and organizations )ns about future management of the s in the nianagOment of most of this tion and increasing resource needs- luding wilderness-required that this our land base if these demands are to me at least, a comparatively new the park service-forest service study anagement concept is eminently well it appears such a designation, along ~s wilderness, will very appropriately wments of this land and provide for opportunity for recreation use and `ovide for other resource uses such as d hunting to the extent they are on area concept of management for ?p4 offers the broadest range of outdoor shj~ ig will continue under State adminis- m~ s operated for the benefit of youth ia~ can be fully developed. Year-round cle ~elop. al~ ace with their habitat through sport is~r ess can continue. ~ri~ iltural resources of the area can coa- ls o growing population, contribute to )ltI to established ranching and lumbering cation of management and develop- rdiaated effort through one-agency Sawtooth wilderness and surround- velopment `and administration would 3re involved. ownership if legislation for a national he valley lands would be maintained area plan. Even though this activity Le prime attractions of this splendid and Federal development is provided )fl. ;lation under `management concept Os' and the Sierra Club have a long 55 quality of the Sawtooth Mountain most beautiful in North America. ye testified in favor of an enlarged L and made a part of the National ri favor of National Park status for us scenic lands surrounding it, again a section of the Park. Sawtooth region remains unchanged d Park, embracing both the upland best possible method of protection , including their pastoral foreground ye Area, with additions of contiguous iess System. Finally, we believe that tq~ in, vs )14~ iii of 5L ie ic 0' 1 hi a vi Oi ~ra] ea ~dc c1e~ ., p a~ ea~ c b U L1$ c~c ~re~ f ~ s~ at~ d L( 1 i~sL 0 gi ~f i ion ~ ti Lte, eg~ `a r CONSEIIVATION REPRESENTATIVE, WESrERN' OUTDOOR CLUBS al Lt at is i~i :Jlü mc th h~c Lfie ~o i guc Ai~ t1i~ io1~I tb~ )th: nit de~ PAGENO="0070" 66 SAW~UOOTH NATIONAL REdREATION AREA there is an increasingly urgent need for recognition of the outstanding scenic and wilderness qualities of the White Cloud, Boulder, and Pioneer Ranges to the East of the Sawtooths, and eventual inclusion of these areas into the N tional Wilderness Preservation System. ~ This summary of our historicalposition and p$rtieular concerns for the Sa tooth region make it ~laiu that ~e~do not believe th4 a Recreation Area design tion is the best plam br the Sawtooths. The area .4tnquestionably and unqua ifiedly deserves Natiø*al Park recognition and protecti~n; the wilderness would be better protected in ti~is way also. However, the Rec4eation Area designation pr vided for by S. 1267 can provide at least a substantial first step towards some degree of National recognition and protection forthe ~awtooths. Of particu'ar urgeney is the need to put a stqp to the proliferation of tic y-tack subdivisions on the floor. of the Sawtooth ~`alley which threaten to des roy ir- revocably that magnificent and possibly unique sweeping view across t e lush pastoral fields into the jagged high peaks. It ;appears that the provislo s of S. 1267 relating to zoning of private property, ai~d condemnation where ne essary, will provide the necessary protection. For the ~fate of the Sawtooti~s, ho1 e they will. ~ ~ . ~ ~ ~ We are also concerned about tl~ continuatio~i of the exploitation of corn odity resources withitn the Recreation Area in a than*er incompatible with the xtraor- dinary scenic èid wilderness qual~ties of. the re4i~n. The preamble of.S. 126 ma1 es it plain that the purpose of the I~ecreation Ar~ is "to assure the preservat on of", and "to protect" the scenic, historic, pastoral, ~1sJii andwildlife, and other recrea- ional vabies of. the Sawtootiis. (Emphasis ad~1ëd.) A~nd yet,. Section 3(3) pro~ vides that lumbering, mining, anc~ grazing will~ continue where it does no "sub- stantially impair" the purposes f~r which the Fecreation area is establish d. Our concern is with the word "substantial", which should be stricken from ai y firal legislation. If the purpose of the Recreation Area desig~ation is to prese ye and protect the Sawtooths then it makes no sens~ to permit a continuation of uses which tend to destroy their scenic quality. To ~ay these uses will not be pe mitted where they "subst~ntia1lv. impair" the purpos4 of the recreation area, i.e., preser- vation aud prpjection, is tQ admit that the conti~uation of these uses in any degree, particularly logging and mining, will probably have the effect of impai ng the recreation area to some extent. ~ I This does no~ make sense to us. If the recreation area is being set up to " reserve and protect'~, then no use should be permitte4 wl~ich will impair the are in any. degree. The uée of the words "substantially i4ipair" gives far too much latitude to harmful exploitation of the area. ~ Of concern i~lso to the Sierra Club and the J?ederation is the fact that . 1267 makes no provision for immediate inclusion of the Sawtooth Primitive a ea and adjacent wilderness lands in the Wilderness S~stem. We have long believ d that designation of wilderness boundaries in the S~wtooths should come first, rather than a blanket classification of the entire are~ as "recreational". We ho e that his bill will not be interpreted by the Forest Service as a mandate to g ahead and invade either the present primitive area o~ any adjoining de facto wi derness lands which mjght qualify for addition to it un4er the procedures of the Wi derness Act. At the v~ry least, the bill s~ou1d provide~for a moratorium on any evelop- ment of pre~dntly unroaded lands within th~ recreation area until a S wtooth Wilderness ha~ been established. I The Sawtodth mountain region, including ~ot only the magnificent S wtooth Range anti its~foreground areas~ but also the White Cloud, Boulder, and Pioneer Ranges to the east, forms a scepic and wild~rness complex rare in this nation, and perhaps unmatched in many ways. It deserves the highest degree of protec- tion possible to preserve these qualities for th~ long-range benefit of pres nt and future generations. We believe that National Park and Wilderness des gnation of large portions of the Sawtooth region will best do this job. We fea that a Recreation Area designation will not. ~ : . . SQUTHERN ID no FORESTRY A$socEATIo . ~ ~ ~ . BoIsE, IDMIO, August 8, 1967. Hon. FRANE~ CHURCH, ~ Senate Office fluilding, . . Washington, D.C. . DEAR FRANK: I appreciated your letter da~ted July 28th regarding th Senate Sub-committee hearing on Parks and Recreation. This, I understand fr m your letter, is a public hearing August 23rd on the Sawtooth National Recreati n Area. PAGENO="0071" SAWTOOTH NATION I am sorry that I will not b~ able to on behalf of the Southern Ida~io Forest Time seems to be of the ess~r~ce in oi~ you appreciate my problem. Will you please file these statement~ the Southern Idaho Forestry ~kssociath Thank you for your kind as~sist~nce, Yours very truly, Senator ALAN BIBLE, Chairman, Pc~rks and Recreat~on Subc Insular Affairs, Senate OjJice /3uild DEAR SENATOR BIBLE : Th~s st~ttern the Sawtooth National Recre$tior~ Are~ be held in Washington, D.C. on ~ Augu~ part of the official record of tl~at ~ieath The Wilderness Society is ~t na~iona1 menibers who are actively inte~ested in wilderness resource. The Wilderness Society, with its m~ been identified with efforts to~ preserve Area and contiguous undeveloped Natk frequently during the past tw~nty yean from other conservation groujs ~rho ~ c National Forest Wilder~ess~h~ the IJnii M. . Brandborg, our Executive Direct Idaho in support of a Forest S~rviee pr~ Wilderness. On June 13, 1966, LI testLfle Idaho on bills to establish a Sawtooth Recreation Area. Mr. Brandborg, wh considerable time in Stanley Basin, the tive Area.We find the Sawtoo~hs to be should be given statutory protection as procedures provided by the Wilderness We are impressed, also, with the preserve the natural aspect a~ well. as National Forest and private lands coi the most part, these lands r~pre~ent the wilderness ~f the speótacular Sa~ meadows and foothills along the hea fl umber of beautiful natural lakes dol in log-fenced pastures, and ranch house~ Management must provide for the pastoral Sawtooth Valley c$trasted jagged spires of the Sawtoo h Moun without the other sacrifices the natural The natural beauty and we tern sett by unsightly commercial development into law, will help preserve ~he sceni that is incompatible with th~ scenic by providing for the acquisiti~n of lanc It should be emphasized, h~wever, tI Area will protect the foregro~ind to ti it will not preserve the wil~lerness F which would be allowed tind~r 5. 126 if applied to the Primitive A~rea and policies, and regulations gov~rning N. adequate safeguards to protect thø inte Area is no substitute for a Wi'derness) Area control development, wh~le those s to prevent development. Onlyi ~tatutor with the Wilderness Act of 19t~4, can be lands of the Sawtooth high óountry. encompassing the present Pritnitive Ar ECREATION AREA r personally and submit a statement sociation. ness. I know that in a busy schedule LC August 23rd meeting on behalf of Ted THEODORE HOFF, Jr., President. THE WILDERNESS SOCIETY, Tashington, D.C., August 2~, 1967. ee of the Committee on Interior and Tashinglon, D.C. rtains. to S. 1267, a bill to establish laho, regarding which a hearing is to 1967, J~lease make this statement a ~rvation organization of some 37,000 eservation of America's disappearing and. cooperators in Idaho, has long rilderness of the Sawtooth Primitive Drest lands. The area has been visited Dth society members and cooperators r it one of the outstanding units of ates. Ofl September 4, 1963, Stewart bified at a public hearing in Boise, to e~tabJjsh the area as the Sawtooth re yOur Subcommittee in Sun Valley, cnal Park and a Sawtooth National native of Idaho, and I have spent )Oth Valley, and the Sawtooth Primi- and very. beautiful high country that ness at the earliest opportunity under ~f 1964. )pportunity and the urgent need to ~creational and historical features of us to the Sawtooth wilderness. For illey approaches, the foreground to 1 Motintains. They consist of lush rs of the famous Salmon River. A landscape. White-faced cattle graze lete the picturesque western setting. ~tion of foreground landscapes. The bhe escarpment culminating in the provides an impressive sight. One ~eter of the area, this environment is now threatened ie valley lands. S. 1267, if enacted roaches by preventing development istorical integrity of the area, and scenic easements. iile a Sawtooth National Recreation lerness of the Sawtooth Mountains, For most man-made developments Lld destroy the Sawtooth wilderness uous wild lands. Clearly, the laws, i Recreatioxi Areas do not provide )f wilderness. A National Recreation ~uidelines for a National Recreation ~ig to a Wilderness Area are designed ~ection as wilderness, in accordance ted to preserve the superb wilderness ily, the Sawtooth Wilderness Area, I contiguous wilderness lands should r pe~ M us 67 t ti a ±1 I a C bl~ mit ci, ~ ~1 ~ )1t~ e ~: I t a 1: ~11 r ). A ti h V Sri c C La e ie [ SI te~ sal ~ef~ 1aI~i S ,w dl dci ct at e gUC at he oth ote bh Ens ~ f i~i dl tnç wil. lf. wo~ ntj~ .ty a. )lyi pr~ :pE~( PAGENO="0072" SAWTOOTH NATIONAL R~CREATION AREA be established first. Then, the Recreation Aria could be logically set up around the WiIdernes~ Area. In order to preserve an~ enhance the integrity of l~he total Sawtooth enVironment, we most assuredly 4iust establish both at the~ earliest possible time. I In conclusion, The Wilderness Society supforts S. 1267 to create a S~twtooth National Recreation Area, providing that it! in no way will prevent, interfere with, or impede the prompt establishment of the Sawtooth Wildern~ss Area of some 200,000 acres, as recommended by The Wilderness Society ar~d other conservation organizations in testimony presented at the Forest Servic~ public hearing in Boise, Idaho on September 4, 1963. A copy of the Society's testimony as presented on that occasion is attached, and we respectfully request that it also be made a part of the record of this hearing. Thank you for the opportunity to present jihis statement. Sincerely, CLIFTON R. MERRIT' Director of Field & The Wilderness Society strongly supports ithe proposal of Regional Floyd Iverson for reclassification of the Sawtooth Primitive Area in Id Wilderness Area. We urge that this proposal~ be considered favorably the Secretary of Agriculture be encouraged, thi~ough expression of broa support, to establish this area as a National ~I?orest Wilderness Area. In the anticipation of further consideration ~Yf the Regional Forester's r we wish to pi~opose the addition of a small a$r~age to the area which he ommended fc~r inclusion in the proposed Sa~rti~oth Wilderness Area. I posed additiO~i, consisting of an area of less t~n 13,300 acres, would inc wild lands wi~thin the Hanson Lakes sectionlof u~pper Stanley Lake Ci Trail Creek (t~bout 10,000 acres) and severallsmaller additions along th em and western boundaries of the area ~ncoitipas~ed by the Regional F proposal. The smaller areas are recommended for addition to the perip the proposed Wilderness Area because of th~ opportunity they would a a special quality of wilderness experience to those who wish to visit w: but who are restricted to "at the edge" penetrations instead of more e trips into the heart of the area. THE SAWTOOTH AREA AS A rILDERNESS ASSET The SawtObth Primitive Area was set aside~in 1937 under the Regulati Essentially, i~ has h~en preserved intact ~ by~the Fore~t Service and w today hi almpst the same wild state, a va$ and beautiful high count because of these special scenic and wildlife v~dues that the proposal for fication of this area as a Wilderness Area is s~ earnestly supported. This designation, which would provide foit full public use and enjoy the protected wilderness lands by people here, in Idaho and from throug nation, is consistent with the multiple-use concept as it is being applied National Forest Lands. The "Wilderness Area" classification will pe preservation and use of these lands as wilderness. Thus future generat have the privilege of using this wilderness just as we have known and within the present Primitive Area. Designath~n now of this area as a W Area will not preclude later consideration ofjany prQposals that may b~ in the future for the use and management of t1~ls unit. Reclassification of tooth PrimitiVe Area as a Wilderness Area is a$important stepfor the pres of the wilderness recreation reaources, and th$ many other values that a here. We urge that it be taken promptly. .~ These recommendations are based on studi4s which have been cornplet Sawtooth Primitive Area by members of The Wilderness Society and the staff ~ The area has been visited on frequent occasions over the past d both Society members and cooperators from other conservation groups wi it as one of the most outstanding units of Na1~ional Forest wilderness to 1 anywhere in the Nation. A number of these people have been, consultec junction with the Society's investigation of tjte Regional. Forester's pre~ posal for establishment of the Sawtooth Wildqrness Area. The most recent visit to the area, for the purpose of studying the reclan proposal, wa~ completed during the period ~u1y 18 through 25 when 68 (Enclosure] STATEMENT O~ STEWART M. BRANOBORO, As~ WILDERNESS S( rvices. )CIATE EXECUTIvE DIREC~ C~ETY `OR, THE Forester Lho as a nd that I public roposal, has rec- his pro- Lude the eek and north- )rester'S ~eries of lord for iderness ~ctensive )n L-20. ~ find it ~y. It is reclassi- ment of iout the oday to mit the ons will used it iderness ~ offered he Saw- 3rvation `e found d in the ociety's cade. by 0 regard )e found in con- ent pro- fication ~ group, PAGENO="0073" SAWTOOTH NATIOI~ which included members of tl~ie Societ: men and conservation organizations, several penetrations into the Prixnitiv The group consisted of Mr. Ernest Da mittee, and past President of the Ii Manley, Vice President of tl~e I4aho Swan, sportsman, of doeur d' Alene; Federation of Western Outc~oor Clul Sierra Club, Berkeley, Califo~nia. During the course o~ its cdverages consulted with and received ~uch inf representatives of the U.S. ~?orest S Hyatt, Assistant Supervisor, of The Ranger, Stanley Ranger District; Ral District, John Lavin, Assiskant Sui helpfulness of these Forest Serr~ice investigation of the reclassifi~ation pr~ TH~ WILD2~1~NESS SO~ The boundary proposçd b~ the Re~ Area would include 192,402 ~cre~ in ai between its eastern and western edg~ boundaries, as proposed by the Regi~ Wilderness Area with the ex~ept~on of recommended below. The SoCIet~i'S cc posals cont~inëd in th~ ,Fore~t $eMce Arai Proposal"~ (Feb. 8, 196~ ~e an numerals used by the F~rest~ Ser~r1ce fication. The areas recrnirri~nded ~ by Wilderness Area are designated as Uñi attached map. The Society's ~trong supp~rt of the ness Area should be emj~hasi~ed. We I within the proposed Wilde4ess Area classification can be given fi~ll atid co and the Secretary of Agricililture. \~ small areas, totaling some 13~OO acre~ opportunity for public use oVthe prot The exclusion of Unit C from the p The Wilderness Soçiety~ Ho~yeve~, it the 9,670 acres withjn Uflit 4 and Un The extensive stands of large pondero~ of the North Fork of the Bqise ~tive: Queens River) are valued a~sets of t. mendation that a large and i~epresent be encompassed in ~ccompJishing bou: it would be possible to incli~ide withi wilderness a significant representatior members of the western fore~t commi Any portion ef Units A ar~d B that should be managed with Un~t C to p wilderness' ` recreation oppottunity. be developed to afforc~ the f~ülest po shed, and scehic values so tb~t none recreation that are best enjo~yed in pr Deletions within Unit D, ?onsistin~ the exception of the exclusion of th~ Protection of the small fiat on the i Wilderness Area boundary i~o the hi~ would provide opportunity for cam~ wilderness. It is important that this wbstern ed~ be protected through their ii~iclusion i private lodges, and developi4ents of t etens of the lake should be avoided on area of less than 500 acres i~i the Wi avoided. A WCR~ATION ARTIJA ~epresentatives of cooperating sports- ~sed various sections and completed from road ends near its boundaries. irman of the Idaho Wilderness Com- ~Vildlife Federation, Boise; Mr. Art fe Federation, Coeur d' Alene; Fred el McCloskey, Field Representative, gene, Oregon, and Dr. John Hurst, Sawtooth Primitive Area, the group on and assistance from the foljowing Max Rees, Supervisor, and Melvin National Forest; Harold Woodley, co, Ranger, Sawtooth Valley Ranger )r, Sa~~ooth National Forest. The entatives aided greatly the group's S RECOMMENDATION Forester for the Sawtooth Wilderness some 30 miles in length and 18 miles e Wilderness Society urges that the ~orester, be established for all of the ~1atively small adju&tments which are Lts and recommendations on the pro- onal broci~ure, "Sawtooth Wilderness in accord~ripe with the lettering nnd eribing areas affected by the recl~ssi- ~ociet~r for dc~dition to the proposed S, 6, and 7. These are indicated on the' sal to establish the Sawtooth Wilder- at the protection of the 192,402 acres Id be achieved as quickly as this re- S consideration by the Forest Service also recommending the addition of us unit of wilderness so that a greater wilderness lands may be provided. ~d Wilderness Area is concurred in by ommended that a substantial part of included within the Wilderness Area. in these two units (within watersheds tributaries of JohnsOn Creek, and the sent Primitive Area. It is our recom~ ortion of the extensive stands of pine adjustments for these two units. Thus outstanding area of National Forest e of the most majestic and important ~e excluded from the Wilderness Area the greatest possible "at the edge of nportant that management practices protection of their vegetative, water- potential will be lost for the types of settings. me 1,390 acres, are concurred in with at the Western end of Pettit Lake. end of the lake, by extension of the ten mark of the lake's western shore, nd other uses of lands protected as he lake and the stream valley (Unit 4) Wilderness Area. Intrusions by roads, e that are seen along the other perim- estern shore. By inclusion of this small ss Area, such future threats would be -4 a 69 rid tve Ch~ tO ildi c~r Eu a M 8, T ~oJ thc na~ ice ial~ Ci ~re~ ~sai iaj re~ il ~n~] L~e( d~ ie 4, EL a ti d 0 I) N: t `Si fl L~ `II .op, 1 t~: i0~1 )let arc ~o 205 nec ~ rid ~re ~e] Lr3~ his or ties ay ri4 Ls i )le hei Eth f s( trec er bh of 1 bh~ ty~ Es ~ ~rre PAGENO="0074" SAW'tO~PH NA~rIONAL I~ ~ 1~EAPiON AREA The Wi1dei~ness Society strongly opposes khe exclusion of 80 acres within Unit E along the Alpine Way Trail from the ~*öposed Wilderness Area. ` he pro- posal itself is shocking in that it seeks to justi~ the exclusion of this u~i in the hope that this will eliminate encroachments b~r trail vehicles within the p oposed Wilderness Area. Exclusion of this Unit would~ be ei~treme1y unwise. After careful study of this proposal, and inspection of the Alpine Wa Trail, we have recommended that the bOundary with~in Area E be extended dow slope, a distance of One-quarter to one-third mile frtm the present trail to per it the exclusion of vehicles from this boundary. Tii~ibered slopes, covered lair ely by lodgepoh~ pine, would thus be included in the pfoposed Wilderness Area be ow the talus slopes c~filower Goat Creek; Iron Creek;Ia~id McGowan Peak. The present~Wilderness Area boundary, as r~roposed for this Alpine Way Trail section by the~ Regional Forester, does not pr~vide an adequate margin etween the talus and granitic faces of the peaks, and ~the areas immediately dow. slope which under the Regional Forester's proposal 4vould be outside of the Wil erness Area. Placement of the boundary one-third thile ° bel&w the trail in the stretch between McGowan Peak and Marshall Lake (Unit 5) would protect cor areas of wilderness from intrusion by vehicles and the threat of future roads an other developments that are incompatible with the wilderness qualities to be pr tected through the Wilderness Area designation. Th~ area that would be added to the Wilderness Area through this boundary adjustment would~ represent le s than 2,000 acres, m9st of which would be represent~d by a lodgepolé ~pine coy r type. The Society ëndorsés and supports the Regio~l Forester's proposal for ~ dition of the 800 acr~s e~ntaining the ~ench Lakes Within Unit 1 near Redfis Lake. We urge that t~he proposed boundary be thovcsj ~ h~jlf mile to the eastwar at the head of Redf~sh Lake to permit the inclusion 4~t1ie upper one-~ighth of t e lake~ in the Wildern~ess Area. This adjustment wduW~dd less than 800 ac~es ( nit 6) to the Wildern~ss Area anj would permit the l4n~idary to extend along th ridges that lie to the north and south ~f the lake. ~s i~i the case of Pettit La e, it is extremely important thatthe upper end of Redfish Lake be protected fro devel- opment and uses that are not consistent with the present wilderness character of this area. Boat use here should be restricthd to the high water mark of the lake and other uses of mechanical equipment ~hould be prohibited. Extension of the Wilderness Area boundary to the waters edge along thi upper section of Redfish Lake (in Unit 6), with lc~c~tjon of boundaries alon ridges extending northward and southward from the 4tpper end of the lake, woul assure future protection ~ of ithp~rtant "wi1derness-eci~é" damp site~ and their p imitive setting for the beiiefit of visito~s who are abl4~ to j~ènetral~ only the permeters of wil4erness, ~ut who will find ibis a thrilhin~ and deeply satisfying exp rience, nonetheless. . . ~ ~. ~ ~ The Wildeñless Society strongl3r suppori~s ~t~Ttegional Foi~ster's prop sals for additions of Units 2 and 3 which include 2,i1O~äcres h1 the McG~wan-Tr ii Lake Basin and 1,840 acres in Baron Creek. We pi~opose further, on the basi of our studies and the recommendations of those who are familiar with the ar a, that the boundaries of Units 2 and 3 be extended ~o the North and West to include all of the Trail Creek basin, upper Stanley L4e C~eek and the Hanson L kes. We also urge that the boupdary of the pr~posed Wilderness Area be moved north from the crest of McGowan Peak ridge i~q include the face of the m untain itself and the slope extending ffom its base to t~I~ southern shores of Stanle Lake. We would re$mmend that ~the boundary ~ ext4~nd southwest.fróm Stanle Lake, lip Stanley I4ke Creek and onto the ridge ~ior.th of the H~nson Lake . This should includ~ within the Wilderness Area 14e unnamed lakes immedi tely to the north of i~anson Lak~s. The boundary c~i1d ~hen follow the~ ridge etween Stanley Lake creek ~nd Elk Creek to the di'v~de, rM~e northwest Of Obse vatiOn Peak and thence southward almig the ricige rest ~ Silver Creek, betw en the Trail Creek drainage and the th~andjean ~ Cre~k watershed. This addition (of Unit 7) to the Regional Porester's proposal would p1 cc the highly scenic area of Stanley Lake Creek and the open parks of Hanso Lakes and the entire Trail Creek Basin within the boundaries of the Wildernes Area. A high country area of approximately 10,000 acres would thus be added to the Wilderness Area that is proposed by the Regional Forester. The road above Stanley Lake is in nearly complete disrepaii~tand unpassable. No public use is being made of it. The Society proposes that it~be closed to public use at point approximately four miles north of the headwat4~rs of Stanley Lake Creek. The Greenb4ck Mine location withi~n this pi~posed ~ddi~tion to the Wil erness Area should be recOgnized as a non-conforming use of the `Wild lands to e pro- tected within the Wilderness Area. It is hoj~ëd tthat these land~ could be a quired at some future time for appropriate use as part of this wilderness unit. 70 PAGENO="0075" SAWTOOTH NATTO: In summary, The Wi1dern~ss Societ area proposed for inclusion ~n the S Forester: The upper end of Pettit Lah~ (Unit 4 Alpine Trail Way from Mar~ha1l Lak The upper end of Redfts1~ L~ke (Unit Trail, Creek-upper Stanley L~ike Cree Total .. With the addition of this 13,300 Forester's proposal, the Wilc~erness A 206,000 acres. To this we urg~ also the AandB. In conclusion, I wish to r~-emphas of the reclassification propo~a1 of R behalf of the Society, prompt and fav recommendations of the Soiiety to standing wilderness values 1tha~ are Forest Wilderness System. `1~'his area' anywhere else in America. I wish to expres~ our ap~~reciation Senator ALAN BIBLE, ~ ~ . Chairman, Parks and Recreation Subc Committee, SenateOffice Building DISAR SENATOR' ~B*i~LE : Ak I ~tm n Washington, D.C., on the proposed authorized Ernest E. Day t~ speak f dent that he will ácóth~tel~ reflect members on this' sitbjeit~ However, I doWant to a4d a few 1966 I attended a similar ~omtnitte called to permit Idaho residents an have just re-read the statei~nent I p pertinent today. I suspect that others wou~d feel th important thing is that we seem to b a year ago. It seems to me to be a further delay. to enact legis atic~n th tional national resource tha is the S In this past year the maj r proble is the unplanned, unsightly housin~ Sawtooths-in the Sawtoot~ Valley A year ago I said I doul~te.d that provide a practical solution4 I ~m ev Now I hear rumors of a pi~oposal fo highway. The scenic easem~nt plan But I am sure it could only be succe highway all theway.t~ the Sa~toot My suggestion would be i~o inCludE a Sawtooth National Recre~ttio~i Ar Then I would urge that thiS legi are in; the problem is ob'~iou~; th complicate the problem. Respectfully, IECREATIO~ AT~EA amends the following additions to the h Wilde]~ness Area by the Regional Acre8 - 500 cGowán Peak (tjnit 5) - ~- - - - 2, 000 800 son L~ces (Unit 7) 10, 000 13,300 0 the 192,402 acres in the Regional ~ild represent a total of approximately on of a substantial acreage from Units e Wilderness Society's strong support I Forester Floyd Iverson. I urge, on consideration of this proposal and the ~ strengthened protection of the out- sented in this unit of the National lue; its wilderness cannot be equalled Le opportunity to appear here today. IDAHo WILDLIFE FEDERATION, eur d'Alene, Idaho, August 11, 1967. ~ee, Senate Interior ~ and Insular Affairs inQtan, D.C. `to be present `for the new hearing in oth National Recreation area, I have Idaho Wildlife Federation. I am confi- binking of the great majority of our comments for the record. In June of ing at Sun Valley, Idaho, which was tunity to be heard on this subject. 1 ~d then and feel that it is even more about their statements. But to me the er frc~m a solution today than we were r of urgency that we proceed without protect this most unique and excep- ths. increased and' grown more acute. This lopment along the approaches to the anley Basin. g-either local, state or federal would re certain of this today. rrow strip of scenic easements along the well be the most workable approach. such easements would extend from the .cI~ a provision.in the previous proposal for I): ~ lace of the proposed zoning plan. iol be expedited. The facts and opinions ot iitial is clear. Further delay will only ART MANLEY, President. L ecd 71 6 Cs di~ T on un~ c r $ f rt d a t t m~ ab~ wt~ h C. itt~ pc~ en~ r e S C t S ,tt~ w~l to ha~ gh S a is ~,` .`~` ~ ~`, ", PAGENO="0076" BERKELEY, CALIF., August 23, 1~ Hon. HENRY M. JACKSON, Chairman, Committee on Interior and Insular Affairs, Senate Office Building, Washington, D.C. DEAR SENAP~E JACKSON : I am in full suppor1~ of the current efforts to pr for the American people the Sawtooth mountaii~ area located in Idaho. This area is ~me of America's outstanding 4emaining wilderness, sceni wildlife regions ~nd should be afforded full prot~ction as a national natural While the Sawtooth mountain area is certainl$r of national recreation vali should be supported as such, I fully recommendl that the area be establishe Sawtooth National Park. This area is fully worthy of Nathrnal Park status and would be one of Am four or five most unique national parks. I have visited most of the scenic and wilderness-type areas of the Sa~' Mountain area and from such visits do come to the conclusion that some 7~ 67. 72 SAWTOOTH NATIONAL RECREATION AREA BOISE, IDAHO, August 17, ~967. ~ar the )posed ~idera- rea be Senator FRANK CHURCH, Senate Subcommittee on Parks and Recreation, Washington, D.C. I DEAR SIR: A~s an owner of four hundred and 4orty acres of deeded land, n townsite of Atlnnta, Idaho, that isincluded witjiin the boundaries of the pr Sawtooth Natibnal Recreation Area, I respectfully request that your con tion of the bifl (S. * 1267) to cr~ate a Sawto4th National Recreation A expedited withOut further seeming delay. It appears to me that development of this ~cenic area, as proposed un~ terms and conditions of the National Recreathn program, would be in tI public interest. ~ Already, I have proposed to the National Forest Authority a program f use and development that would facilitate better public occupancy of ti around Atlanta and at the same time permit rbe to develop private recre facilities. Personofly, I am anxious to have this matter resolved one another. As it l~ad been, I have been unable t& make any concrete plans. Cordially yours, STANLEY BASIN 4~ATTLEMAN'5 ASSOCIATION, ~Yhallis, L ler the ie best ~r land .e area Ltional ray or ALVA D. GRE SNE. aho. PARKS AND RECREATION SUBCOMMITTEE, Senate Interior and Insular Affairs, Washington, D.C. GENTLEMEN: We, members of the Stanley Basin Cattleman's Associatioi to go on record as being in favor of the bill 5-1267 establishing the Sa~ National Recreation area. ~ However, in Section 5, paragraph D, we fe4 that property owners sho reimbursed foi~he decreased valuation ~of the. p. oper~y resuitimg from regul zoning, or easei~ients as a consequence of the es ablishment of the recreatio Sincere1~ yours, BA,~E SPARK, Presi~ ThOMAS W, C~sIv~: LYNN W. WILSON, CALVIN S. HELM. wish ~tooth ild be Ltions, ~~rea. tent. 15, RENO, NEV., August 21, 1 967. Senator FRANK CHURCH, Senate Subcommittee on Parks and Recreation, Senate Office Building, Washington~ D.C. : The Nevada Wildlife Federation by action of ~ts board of directors, Augi enthusiastically endorses establishment of the ~awtooth national recreatio and urges prompt and favorable action on S. ~t267. The Sawtooth area merits the upgrading and recognition that thi~ forward-looking legislatio bring. Best wishes, NEVADAj WILDLIFE FEDEBATION, VIRLI5 L. FISCHER, st 18, area easily ~ will Vice Presi~ mt. ~serve and area. e and I as a rica's tooth 0,000 PAGENO="0077" 73 SAWTOOTH NATIO L ECREATION AREA to 825,000 acres of this area s~iou1d be s t a ide as a national park including vital areas surro~rnding the area defined s the "Sawtooth Mountain Study Area," by Department of the Interthr and De art ent of Agriculture, in August, 19~5. This ~ar~er area, then,. would bee e truly important Natioi~al Park for America. S~ncei'ely, ~ w~ 0TH CONSERVATION COUNCIL, *( ~ ~ Ketchurn, Idaho, September 4, 1967. ~th Oonser~vatiQn Council,, as you know, is v$ pmen~ in. the Sawtoot1~ region. All e~ o~ts to pre~rve this. magnificent land. at ;hould be the ultimate administrative cet bain that any administ~ation, whether ar1~, whether under the Forest Service or a number of concrete objectives. In our JOHN R. SWANSON. Hon. FRANK Crrrmcn, U,~s. Senate, ~ ~ Washingtom,, D.C. DEAR SnNAiroa cHURCH: ~he Saw ~ deeply concerned about pr~sp~ctive d of us are deeply grateful to you for y u The Council is not prepared to say arrangements for the area, hut is qui e by wilderness area, reereatk~u area o National Park Service, must ac~omp is view, the most important of~ these ar 1. The SawtoOth 1~i~ih~itivè Aiea, wt so ~ e additions; should be brought under the provisions of the Wilde~ness Act. r~t ing aud mining should be specifically excluded in the wilderness. 2. A buffer zone adjaeenI~ to the i 4e ness Area shou'd be provided. In this zone roads would not come directly o the Wilderness Area, but should diminish in quality and capacity and should e . n~ 11 before reaching the Wilderness Area boundary. The proposed Wilderness en s already too small and should not be further constrict~cl by ~ hig1~ways to .~ e ges. Moreover, people engaged in car camping des3rve th e wiIder~iess evpe j uc of escaping large highways. 3. Roads must not be put throug t e f llow~ng areas: (a) Stanley Lake to Grapdjeai~ Ca pground. (b) From the end of present it iM Lake roac~to the North Fork of Ross Fork of Boise River. At the present time the~e roads h v~ been proposed and survey crews are already on the scene. They are very iii co ceived. 4. Scenic protection for ~tanley sh~ and the Sawtooth Valley. Zoning ap- propriate tO the beauty of ~he area e e is essential. 5. The campground~ wh~ch now p ee pt the northeastern shore of Redfish Lake should be moved bacl~ frdm th ak so thatthe lake is available to general day use. In general, the Sa*tooth C ser ation Council asks that administration of the Sawtooth region b~ made rO ensit~ve t~ the wilderness and scenic character of the. area. .rrh~s involves t e rotection of some lakes from intrusion by motorboats, the c1o~in~ of soni ral .~ to trail cycles. and other motorized transport as well as the foregoing 0 ~mmercial and commodity ~ exploitation of the scenic climaxes. . The~ Sawtoot ~egi n is not otily Idaho's best, it is one of the nation's best. It deserv~s the fi4I es ~ oteotion of which the nation is capable. Again, many thanks to ~ou for y u do . icated efforts. I would be grat~fu1 if tl~is h~tter o ld be inçludedin the record of the forth- coming hearings on the Sa*tooth N t op 1 Recreation Area. Respectfully, ~ ~ ~ R. C. BAUTHOLOMEW, ~ P~ sident~ Sawtooth Conservation Council, ~k A OUNTI FisH . & GAME LEAGUE, . ~ . . Boise, Idaho, August 30, 1967. Senator FRANK CwrrRcii, &nate Office Building, Washington, D.C. DEAR SENATOR CHURCH : We ha ~ pre iously taken the position that the best interest of the general pul$ie and h p oplo of the S~tte of Idaho would be to have a Sawtooth Nationar Pt~rk.' ~ ~ w reaffirm that position ~ ~ the same grounds: that the recreati~n area p a isnot adequate tO do the job that needs to be done, and that a pari~ would e te preserve the quality of the area. PAGENO="0078" ~-~-~---~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 74 SAWTOOTH NATIONAL RE~JREATION AREA In the event that you will not consider a $tional Park, then our seco d posi- tion is that the recreation area idea be co4~p1ete1y abandoned, and t at the wilderness status of the primative area be ir~plemented at the earliest ossible ~time. To leaVe the area as it is will be ~better t~ian the recreation area idea. Our third position, if* neither of theabove c~tn be achie~ed,1s to includ in the bill for the National Recreation Area minimal housing requirement so tI~at sub- division concentrations cannot completely ruin the valley's natural settii~g. This minimum would be to allow one summer home in ten acres in the open, and five acres if partially or wholly wooded. Under n~ condition should less tha a five acre plot be allowed. We contend that this should be made part of the c ndition of the establi~iment of the National Recreatio~ Area. We apprecb~te the interest of Idaho's Con~ressiona1 Delegation and further realize that no~ plan will please all people, esp4~ially those who anticipate sudden monetary retti~ns if their favored plan is used.j You should also he inform d that there is a growing resentment by some towar4l the recreational area pla . Some who had previously advocated in ~ favor of tite recreation plan are now wholly opposed to it. They are beginning to suspect tl~e whole plane We earnestly suggest the abandonm~nt ~f the ph~n and that a National Park plan be studied for the Sawtooth area. . Sincerely yours, JOHN D. PERFEcT, Seer tary. [Editorial from the Post-Register, Idaho 1~a11s, Idaho, Aug. 13,1967] Tnn SAWI'OOTH i4U~ENcY The pivotal judgements on th~ proposed S4wtooth National Recreati n area will most likely revolve arOund the 13.5. Forest Service standards for land use in that magnificeltt valley. ~ ~ . ~ The minimal land standards for summer ~iomes in those areas whe e new summer homes will be allowed, have already bden recommended by the Sa tooth National Forest office and a team of land use atialysts of the Forest Servic staff. These base-level standards are practicable and are capable of preservi g the valley from the housing developments which could seriously detract fr m the valley's natural setting. They allow a summer home every 10 acres if it is in the open, five acres if partially wooded, and one acj~e if the summer home is i dense timber. The one acre preseription,we feel, mast be too small and would ave to be adjusted to avoid unsuitable concentratiot~s, but it is possible to m intain the frontier th4ching atmosphere if the five a~$l 10 acre standards were a plied. These are minimal standards, however. If in 4ome ~ areas such standards fail to sustain the ~ nai~ral setting, the acreage ratiost should be raised, The sta dards are now beinga~sess~dby the national officials ~4the Forest Service in Washi gton, D.C., and und4ubtedly final judg~ments on th4 standards by the `agency ill be available for the congressional hearings, Aug. 2X3. ~ The National ~ Recreation Area prescription which the U.S. Forest ervice presented last year deserves the wholehearted support of *Idahoans an their Congressional delegation. Senators Frank Churblrand Len B. Jordan and~ Cong. George Hansen are fully in accord on the !proposed ~ national recreatio area h~gislation already introduced in Congress. We t~ope they pursuethe legi lation through to its successful conclusion as soon a~ possible before a mushro m of d~veIopment itr the * valley complicates the pr~scription which the gover ment must apply to preserve the valley. ~ ~ ~ From its statice at the Ketchum. hearings, ~he Forest Service is relax ng its standards sont~*i~t-~bht not beyond the mi~iimum preservation value . The Forest Servi~e~ gave the impi!ession in its reere~%tiOn area report of not al owing any new summer home concentrations. It is n~w allowing them in certain areas but with the preservative of minimUrn~tand*ds. This newspaper feels that the standards whhth the Sawtooth National orest office has advanced-with the * possible exSeption of the one acre in th~ trees ratio-should be incorpOrated into the legislatio~i itself. Idahoans, and the ~ation at large can then be aware what they are really buying' in Sawtooth Vall~y. As the legislation stands now, the standards would be entirely disctetionar~ ~ with the Forest Service and the Secretary of Agriculture depending on 4tearings which the Forest Sqrv~ce will conduct. * ` ` ~ ` `.` Sawtooth V&lley needs preserving, and the ~tio~l, Recreation Are~ pr posal of the Forest~rvie~ is the. soundest -way of aç~iavin~ it~. WiE~ a~e confiden t~iat ~.everyone else w~fl 1~l~ink so once they are able ~t~o exainine that proposal a d the recommended s~and~ds which coub~ go with j~.. - - PAGENO="0079" SAWTOOTH NTA]~ION I~ CREATION AREA There is great urgency for ~he Nati n 1 ecreation Area legislation. Already housing developments are mi~shr~omi g in the valley, all of them with house concentrations considerably below the r p ed Forest Service standards. If the valley is to be rescued from th~se, Cong e s ill have to act quickly. Senator BIBLE. The he~rir~g is (Whereupon, at l:O~5 ~m., to the call of the Chair.) 75 adjourned, subject PAGENO="0080"